crusader1234 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 [quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Jan 23 2005, 08:01 PM'] See, it's comments like that that make it hard to even call the argument a debate. I think it might be worth discussion if personal politics could be kept out of it. Now, I realize that's almost a stupid statement, but what I mean is, if people can argue the justness of the war without bringing their personal feelings into play. That would be a debate. Hopefully this will be a real debate. But, history here on phatmass tells me that it will probably simply degenerate into a political name-calling mess. Have fun ya'll. [/quote] Um, how is that a personal feeling? Bush admitted there were no WMDs. That totally alters the debate. People argued again and again that there would be WMDs. If there aren't any, that alters the way that the Just Ware Doctrine applies to Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 But we must remember that just because there are not WMD in iraq now doesnt mean that there werent before, and they were just moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 First of all, going to war on an unfounded assumption is questionable. Secondly, if the weapons were moved out of Iraq, then there wasn't any point in attacking Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirMyztiq Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 [quote name='MagiDragon' date='Jan 23 2005, 09:58 PM'] hold up. jacob, you've got to address the issues that were brought up, not the weapons of mass destruction carp that was barely mentioned. only once in JP2Iloveyou's argument did he mention WMD's, and you *didn't* address that issue: If you're going to refute arguments, refute *these* arguments. Don't refute arguments that weren't brought up, and act like you've shot down *his* arguments. Now play nice. Peace, Joe [/quote] That's stupid. The inspectors where allowed to enter all facilities in Iraq this time around and even the head of inspection himself was in complete dissaproval of this war. He said the war was rushed and the job wasn't done. Also at the beginning of Bush's term we heard all of the members of his cabinet say that Hussain was no longer a threat due to the severe penalties he was put under. They claimed that he had not created any weapons and that he was being kept in check by those policies. [url="http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-rice-wmd.wmv"]http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-rice-wmd.wmv[/url] [url="http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1083862.htm"]http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1083862.htm[/url] You don't go to war based on past actions. You go to war with firm and correct justification and this is something the administration did not do. Americans were fed their own patriotism and then were made to not argue but just follow by those that are above them. For example the radical Christian groups and people such as Graham. They blindly follow Bush due to his "Christianity" and therefore put forth no objection to his acts and they believe, at least some of them, that Bush was appointed by God and he is doing God's will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aloha918 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 i dont know everything that is going on in Iraq....but i dont really like it......only 1500 us soldiers have died (give or take a few)........but think of the countless innocent civilians that have died........i dont think that the ends justify the means.......so to me it is unjust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 [quote name='fidei defensor' date='Jan 24 2005, 12:06 AM'] But we must remember that just because there are not WMD in iraq now doesnt mean that there werent before, and they were just moved. [/quote] Did you read my example of the police searching a house? Because the US or the UN failed to find weapons means that they MUST have been moved, though support for this is small and unstable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 the iraq war .... I don't know what to think.... I like both sides which can't happen. I will be neutral. However, i just have had this strange feeling that bush is going to get whats coming along with the rest of america. There are a lot of people that are mad that we are there and not just iraqis. The pieces are now moving ..... where is the next fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I'd say not completely just, but Iraq stands a chance, now. it will be bloody, but then, everything in that part of the world is. Terrorism will not be solved by capitulation, by being nice, by not interfering. it will be solved by killing the terrorists and waging psychological warfare on their potential recruits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 (edited) "What are we to say of the threat of a war that could strike the people of Iraq … a people already sorely tried by more than 12 years of embargo? War is never just when there is another means … for settling differences between nations." Pope John Paul II Edited January 26, 2005 by james Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 (edited) I'm so sick of hearing people complaining about how bush is murdering all of "our boys". Hello, there have been worse wars,even a big ol' pointless war(vietnam), where thousands upon thousands of our boys died, nothing compared to the statistics in this war. Many of the other wars were led by liberal democrats, were they not? So why the complaining about this? When it doesnt even come close to the others? I believe IronMonk has proved this stance over and over... Oh and I also believe our boys "chose" to go to war..That's why people join the army, right? Sadam Hussein is out of Power and a new Government is getting started..What is so wrong with that? Liberal Democrats,upholding abortion need to stop pointing the finger at Bush, because they are repsonsible for the killing of millions of innocent little babies. Edited January 27, 2005 by MC Just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 A nation was destroyed. You kicked a man when he was down. Whats so wrong? This wasn't neccessary. No one needs to go to war, even if they are niave enough to want to. And no one jump on me for that, my dads over there too, sadly the rest of my family is on the receiving end. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 [quote name='MC Just' date='Jan 26 2005, 08:50 PM'] I believe IronMonk has proved this stance over and over... Oh and I also believe our boys "chose" to go to war..That's why people join the army, right? [/quote] And "mothers" chose abortion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 [quote name='MC Just' date='Jan 26 2005, 08:50 PM'] Sadam Hussein is out of Power and a new Government is getting started..What is so wrong with that? Liberal Democrats,upholding abortion need to stop pointing the finger at Bush, because they are repsonsible for the killing of millions of innocent little babies. [/quote] One wrong does not justify another, MC just. [quote]"What are we to say of the threat of a war that could strike the people of Iraq … a people already sorely tried by more than 12 years of embargo? [b]War is never just when there is another means[/b] … for settling differences between nations." Pope John Paul II[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Jan 26 2005, 09:35 PM'] And "mothers" chose abortion. [/quote] So many "mothers" wouldnt choose abortion if the "pagan state worshippers" didnt fight to keep it legallized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 [quote name='james' date='Jan 27 2005, 04:42 AM'] One wrong does not justify another, MC just. [/quote] no it doesnt......btw you didnt have to quote Pope John Paul II's words... He like's Bush and has already changed his mind about the War... War is not pretty, it's horrible..The Iraqi people are greatful though and many of the Soldiers are supporting their commander and chief.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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