ironmonk Posted January 21, 2005 Author Share Posted January 21, 2005 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Jan 21 2005, 02:00 AM'] Ironmonk, I am in substantial agreement with you, except do you think it's bad to like words like "F***, S***, B****, D***, A**." Everyone of those words comes out of my mouth at least once a day. [/quote] I know they're bad... I shouldn't use them but I'm trying to quit... I think it's worse than cigarettes... I've been using them since I was six (the words) and for a time I'll be 'on the wagon' then I'll be tired or irritated and they'll fly. Then I'll catch myself and say a prayer for help. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Seems like this thread went off course. Regardless of what "party" you are for, there are bad people on both sides of the fence. However, if you want to find someone that stands for the moral teachings of the Church, you are more likely to find them towards the right. The left has really went downhill in terms of what is morally acceptable, although not to say everyone within the Democratic party represents those beliefs. Bickering and name-calling ("Lib", "Neo-con") doesn't produce anything worthwhile out of a discussion. Discussing party and individual stances is worthwhile. Now back to the original topic, if Rice's confirmation is being held up by Sen. Byrd for no other justifiable reason except because of her race, then that is absolutely ignorant and it should be stopped. If this is true, it makes me ashamed to have people in our present-day government like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I am dumbfounded, Ironmonk. This thread is about Condi, someone turned it anti-left, I reminded them that the thread has nothing to do with that. Now, you decided to turn it away from its meaning yet again to go into a long, digressive, and (in the context of this thread) useless post about idiots in hollywood and general problems with the Democratic party. You could have saved a lot of time if you kept it to the point. Is this your point? [quote]When a democrat is a hateful kkk bigot, they say "That's what makes our country great". If a republican doesn't have a black person working for them, the democrats call him racist and nazi.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted January 21, 2005 Author Share Posted January 21, 2005 [quote name='Joseph' date='Jan 21 2005, 02:29 AM'] Seems like this thread went off course. Regardless of what "party" you are for, there are bad people on both sides of the fence. However, if you want to find someone that stands for the moral teachings of the Church, you are more likely to find them towards the right. The left has really went downhill in terms of what is morally acceptable, although not to say everyone within the Democratic party represents those beliefs. Bickering and name-calling ("Lib", "Neo-con") doesn't produce anything worthwhile out of a discussion. Discussing party and individual stances is worthwhile. Now back to the original topic, if Rice's confirmation is being held up by Sen. Byrd for no other justifiable reason except because of her race, then that is absolutely ignorant and it should be stopped. If this is true, it makes me ashamed to have people in our present-day government like that. [/quote] I believe that those in government should undergo similar scrutiny that Bishops must. Similar standards. Things like being in the KKK should keep someone from ever being involved in Government. Yes, he could have changed, but it is not worth the risk of the possible hidden bias - maybe he wouldn't even be aware of the hidden bias. It seems no matter what it is, the left has said the opposite of whatever Bush has said, and the left is out to give Bush a hard time. The one senator calling her a liar was foolish, and the way she grilled her as if Condi did something wrong was simply childish. The man she supported in the Presidential race (Kerry) would have been guilty of the very things that she accused Condi of... but that's another story... I'm only using this to support my theory that they want to keep Bush from getting things done. It's childish, unprofessional, and lacks integrity. Senators need term limits and pay cuts. If I ever run... I'm going to push for term limits of 6 or 8 years, pay cuts, and cut in retirement pay. The system has created senators out of touch from reality and fed mens greed. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted January 21, 2005 Author Share Posted January 21, 2005 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jan 21 2005, 02:39 AM'] I am dumbfounded, Ironmonk. This thread is about Condi, someone turned it anti-left, I reminded them that the thread has nothing to do with that. Now, you decided to turn it away from its meaning yet again to go into a long, digressive, and (in the context of this thread) useless post about idiots in hollywood and general problems with the Democratic party. You could have saved a lot of time if you kept it to the point. Is this your point? [/quote] (when reading the italics, imagine the guy on the car commercial in the disclaimer voice) [i]Main points are bolded. All other points are supportive in one way or another to main points... and/or addressing nazi statements. Some secondary points where made to address things that might be mentioned in rebuttals.[/i] I believe that you would be an exception to the double standard statement I made. Please remember my post about generalities a while ago and that I believe there are exceptions to most rules (except Gods). Your statement brought to mind that I've seen the left on TV say the very same thing you did, and the same people call reps. racist or imply that they were racist because there where no black people working for them... it didn't matter that there were asians and spanish. Many people in America think racism is between white and black... a racist will be against all other races as inferior to their own. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I would agree that there is no reason for impeding the progress of confirming President Bush' appointees. Even if you despite the man and/or disagree with choices he has made, he still deserves the respect of being President. Regardless of who was elected, that person has every right to decide who he wants in his cabinet, and if you are delaying a confirmation just because you don't like his choice or don't like him, it's immature and definitely not behavior expected out of a United States senator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 I didn't call republicans racist nazis, I called Senator Byrd a Neo-Nazi Racist Radical Conservative. I don't really care what his party affliations are, I don't really particularly care for either party. I think he's a racist, and thats all folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 Ironmonk is my hero..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted January 21, 2005 Author Share Posted January 21, 2005 [quote name='ironmonk' date='Jan 21 2005, 01:51 AM'] Those in the democratic party have no integrity and base their statements on polls. Zell Miller is an exception to the rule. [/quote] A clarification... I want to make to this statement... I meant it as those running the party. There are some good people with good intentions in the party, but the leaders of the party and the majority of the party is what I am meaning by this statement. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Jan 21 2005, 12:10 AM'] Umm...I'm not a leftist.... Do I really have too? I'm tired and already emotionally raw, I'd just as soon not fight with you. I like you. [/quote] That's OK. I know your not Leftist (at least in the normal sense of the word - your politics are kinda unique). However, comparing people they don't agree with to Nazis is a very old, very common practice of those on the Left. It is a means of avoiding rational argument. ("You're Nazi, you'er evil -therefore your not even worth listening to.") I could argue that National Socialism has more in common with the Left than the Right. I just think you can do better than that. If you think people are like Nazis, explain why. Otherwise avoid name-calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 [quote name='ironmonk']A former Ku Klux Klansman who once vowed to keep the military segregated is single-handedly holding up the confirmation of Secretary of State-nominee Condoleezza Rice, the first African-American woman to be appointed to the office. "Senator Robert Byrd, an outspoken critic of the Iraq war, announced late [Wednesday] that he would not allow the Senate to approve Ms. Rice without a few days of consideration of her lengthy testimony, and at least a token debate on the floor," reports the New York Times. Sen. Byrd's maneuver came just hours after the Senate Foreign Relations Committee approved her nomination by a vote of 16 to 2.[/quote] You people need to get a grip. You're just assuming that because Sen. Byrd was a member of the KKK, and becaue Condoleezza Rice is black, he is opposing her confirmation for that reason -- all based on an article from a conservative website. It could be that Sen. Byrd is opposing Dr. Rice's confirmation for the same reasons that Sen. Kerry and Sen. Boxer, the two dissenting votes on the Foreign Relations Committee, did -- because of her role in selling the Iraq War to the American people based on lies. The Iraq War has been particularly devastating in both Ohio and West Virginia, which have lost people to the lie that the Bush Administration sold to Congress and the American public. If Dr. Rice were white, I suspect that Sen. Byrd would still be opposing her confirmation, and then you'd have to find a new reason for it -- instead of the real reason, which is that Dr. Rice is an unabashed liar who sold her soul and the truth for an unjust war. And while we're on the topic, shall we talk about the former members of the KKK in the Republican Party? Or how about the beloved late Senator who fathered a child with a black woman out of wedlock and then refused to acknowledge that child? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gal. 5:22,23 Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 [quote name='Good Friday' date='Jan 21 2005, 10:20 AM'] Dr. Rice is an unabashed liar who sold her soul and the truth for an unjust war. [/quote] Source? Your avatar says "Love is the message." What a contrast to this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 [quote name='Gal. 5:22,23' date='Jan 21 2005, 02:18 PM'] Source? Your avatar says "Love is the message." What a contrast to this statement. [/quote] Gal., obviously you haven't spent much time on the phorums, lately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted January 21, 2005 Author Share Posted January 21, 2005 [quote name='Good Friday' date='Jan 21 2005, 12:20 PM'] which is that Dr. Rice is an unabashed liar who sold her soul and the truth for an unjust war. [/quote] I guess I was wrong about your writing ability. Also I thought you were smarter and being sincere, I guess not. You've finally proved me wrong... I stand corrected. Rise is not a liar. Your statement applies to every one of the crooked democrats that supported the war also. For someone to lie they have to know the truth and tell opposite the truth. Iraq had WMD's - according to the UN. Calling Rice a liar is foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted January 21, 2005 Share Posted January 21, 2005 iron monk- man like just said- your my hero amen brotha and rock on!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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