Political Philosophy

[crusader1234]

I'm not going to say I'm a distributist exactly. If you put a label on something, its hard to change that label. For a long time, I chose to call myself socialist because I lacked a better word for it. I've now realized I can support my own ideals, not a prefabricated ideal. I'm going to say I'm a 'Pope Leo XIII supporter' and strip myself of any labels that lump me into groups with people I don't neccesarily agree with.

And by "we've got two new wingers" I meant we've got two new people that think its hardcore Lefty or hardcore Righty that think its black and white and they have to choose one or another.

[Deeds]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Jan 22 2005, 01:04 AM'] Deeds, socialism has been strongly condemned by the Church in several Church documents. It denies man's right to own property. I t is also a failed economic theory.

There have already been lengthy debates on this issue. I would strongly suggest you read the threads on this phorum: "The Sin of Socialism," "The Sin of Capitalism," and "Political Slant and Being Catholic."

"No one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true Socialist." ~ Pope Pius XI. [/quote]
Eh. Socialism does not automatically revoke the right to private property. If you think that, you don't know what socialism is.

[BeenaBobba]

I could probably be described as a conservative Democrat. Fiscally, I'm liberal, but I'm very conservative on social issues like abortion, embryonic stem cell research, gay "marriage," euthanasia, and human cloning. I'm with the Dems on issues like universal healthcare, the environment, and the death penalty.

God bless,

Jen

[BeenaBobba]

I could also be considered a moderate monarchist as well.

God bless,

Jen

[RandomProddy]

I'm a Conservative Monarchist. But what that means in the UK and the US is probably somewhat different..

[zwergel88]

I would call myself a liberal too

I feel like I should include a disclaimer that although I call myself a liberal I am completely against abortion, stem cell research, etc. I really believe that it makes sense that since liberals are anti-death penalty, anti-war, for protecting the enviroment and helping the those who are less fortunate, that it only seems natural that liberals should be pro-life.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Jan 21 2005, 11:22 PM'] Should Anarchy go in the bottom left or would that not fit into the category of economic systems? [/quote]
I don't think anarchy really is an economic system.
Libertarians are pretty close to anarchists. They want absolutely no government interference in the economy of any kind. Libertarians are very opposed to big-government liberalism, but their main enemy is government itself, not the Left.

[Guest Aluigi]

[quote name='Deeds' date='Jan 22 2005, 07:48 AM'] Eh. Socialism does not automatically revoke the right to private property. If you think that, you don't know what socialism is. [/quote]
socialist systems sin against the right of private property even if they do not completely abolish all aspects of private property.

[Guest Aluigi]

libertarian is a political party. Well, I'll leave that part blank. it's just the missing link of my circle. lol, whatever.

Pope Leo XIII supporters are unpside-down-and-to-the-right wingers.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Jan 22 2005, 07:59 PM'] libertarian is a political party. Well, I'll leave that part blank. it's just the missing link of my circle. lol, whatever.

Pope Leo XIII supporters are unpside-down-and-to-the-right wingers. [/quote]
Libertarianism is a political philosophy, not just a political party (like the Reform Party). This is like calling Conservatism a politicial party (because the Brits and Canadians have a Conservative Party).

It is basically against any government power or control of anything. I've known some Libertarians.

[Guest Aluigi]

well, it still doesn't fit into economic systems. is it really in the same category as liberal/conservative? i guess it must be.

[SirMyztiq]

[quote name='kjvail' date='Jan 21 2005, 10:53 PM'] If you believe this you don't even know what conservatism is. Try a little less NPR propoganda in your diet. [/quote]
Yes. Maybe I should turn to a preacher for his unbiased and unpolitical slanted views?!

Are Republicans not the ones that want to cut down on everything from protectin nature to federal assistance to those who need it? And I do believe they have a history for cutting slack to the rich and corporations. Oh, and who are the ones that let Christian crazy talk influence decisions and where the money goes to?

Certainly not the Democrats.

[White Knight]

I am a "Conservative Republican." Why? because it makes sense.

[Laudate_Dominum]

The closest thing to what I am was the radical distributist/feudalist/monarchist choice although it doesn't exactly capture my views.. Its good to see that option is getting some votes.

[james]

I wrote this essay for another site but it relates to this topic and makes a Catholic distinction that I feel is missing here.

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Christ was no Socialist. This is evident to those who read Biblical scripture as a whole, as opposed to picking out bits for use as support of a political agenda that has nothing to do with Christ's message. And to point this out is correct, but if we fail to also speak out against the opposite side of the counterfeit coin--Capitalism--we're not being completely honest.

Christ was no Capitalist either. So why do Christians who rightly oppose Socialism embrace the other flawed alternative offered to them by the temporal establishment when Capitalism is no more consistant with Christ's teaching than Socialism is? Does this not remind one of the Republican vs. Democrat diversion, or the liberal vs. neo-conservative diversion? Do any of these choices truly offer you representation that is consistent with Christ's teaching? If Hillary Clinton is wrong, does that mean that Donald Trump is right?

No, the fact that Socialism is wrong does not make Capitalism right. Yet the increasingly secularized people of the world are disposed to thinking this way. This way of thinking does not reflect the mind of Christ who told us that HE is the way, the truth and the light.

This way of thinking, which has so infected the planet, is not from Christ but from Lurianic Cabbalism and it's the only message which the establishment offers us. The message is that there are two sides between which we must choose, or better yet, be a centrist and take a little bit from each side. That is what the middle pillar of the Kabbalah's "Tree of Life" represents--double mindedness.

This is what George Orwell wrote of in his prophetic novel "1984." Orwell attributes this philosophy, "a vast system of mental cheating," to "The Book" of Emanuel Goldstein.

George Orwell coined the term "doublethink:" the process by which one holds two conflicting ideas while simultaneously believing both of them. This schizophrenic condition is being impressed upon the people of the world by the establishment and it's in complete opposition to the single vision of the mind of Christ.

Christ's church does not support Capitalism simply because Socialism is wrong, nor does it support neo-conservatives simply because liberals are wrong and it does not support Zionism simply because Islamism is wrong. Christ's church doesn't get involved in this diversionary, Cabalistic game. Christ's church supports the natural law which God has established for His creation. The temporal establishment tries to find ways around the natural law: [i]ways to cheat[/i], but Christ's church knows that the natural law is the only real choice there is. No matter how impractical true adherence to Christ's Gospel appears to be to the worldly mind, it is the only practical choice in the end.

As Christians we need to stop listening to the establishment and it's doubleminded message and return to the single vision of the mind of Christ.

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"Woe to them that are of a double heart and to wicked lips, and to the hands that do evil, and to the sinner that goeth on the earth two ways." Ecclesiasticus 2;14

"A double minded man is inconstant in all his ways" James 1;8

"That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them: that, they may be one, as we also are one. I in them, and thou in me: that they may be made perfect in one: and the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them, as thou hast also loved me." John 17;21-23

"The light of thy body is thy eye. If thy eye be single, thy whole body shall be lightsome." Matthew 6:22

Edited January 25, 2005 by james