littleflower+JMJ Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 [quote name='traichuoi' date='Jan 25 2005, 12:42 PM'] actually i see alot...ALOT of people discouraging them. mothers are the number one deterrents to the priesthood...they want their boys to get married and give them grandchildren. as a youth minister, i see it over and over again with guys whom i have worked hard in trying to cultivate a culture of vocations. Bishop Olmsted, the current Bishop of Phoenix was the Bishop of Kansas before he came here. In Kansas, he had over 30 men in the seminary. He said that it was because of the people's participation in a culture of stewardship. [/quote] this is true--its so rare to hear the "v" word, even in Church!! its US who are not doing enough...and have no one to blame but ourselves.... how much fruit we bear is how much we have nourished and worked for it....... the harvest is plenty, the laborers are few...... there are so many young men who i know who can and would make great priests but when their never even present the opportunity to hear and consider, or even present the call, whos fault is it but our own? vocations is not a randomly set numbers, nor is it "okay no single men are doing it, lets move on to married peeps".......thats not how its down or should be looked at. we gotta look at ourselves, our neighbors, and see what we're doing wrong......and most importantly what we're NOT doing. i love how we demand that we raise the number of priests and vocations but barely utter or encourage it with each other, or foster and encourage others about vocations--going to be a priest, etc. .........we want an easy way out... like a plant that has not been waters, it will soon start to dwiddle if it recieves none. when you stop fostering vocations to the priesthood, is the time you will stop having men going ot become priests........its THAT simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 [quote]What everyone I have ever talked to (with the exception of Todd) has failed to mention is that even when married men were ordained to the priesthood in the Western Rite, the ordaination had to be agreed to by the wife and the couple had to practice continence, meaning the could no longer be any sexual relation between the couple. Ordaining married men again in the Western rite would require those ordained to no longer have sexual relations with thier wife.[/quote] Really? That's amazing! Of course there are married priests in the Western rite - priests who are converts from the anglican church, although I don't think they are given responsibility for parishes and they cannot become bishops - the married anglican bishop of London who converted is now a monsignor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 [quote name='littleflower' date='JMJ+Jan 25 2005, 05:30 PM'] this is true--its so rare to hear the "v" word, even in Church!! its US who are not doing enough...and have no one to blame but ourselves.... how much fruit we bear is how much we have nourished and worked for it....... the harvest is plenty, the laborers are few...... there are so many young men who i know who can and would make great priests but when their never even present the opportunity to hear and consider, or even present the call, whos fault is it but our own? vocations is not a randomly set numbers, nor is it "okay no single men are doing it, lets move on to married peeps".......thats not how its down or should be looked at. we gotta look at ourselves, our neighbors, and see what we're doing wrong......and most importantly what we're NOT doing. i love how we demand that we raise the number of priests and vocations but barely utter or encourage it with each other, or foster and encourage others about vocations--going to be a priest, etc. .........we want an easy way out... like a plant that has not been waters, it will soon start to dwiddle if it recieves none. when you stop fostering vocations to the priesthood, is the time you will stop having men going ot become priests........its THAT simple [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 oh dear....just so you know...that whole post wasn't directed towards you trai lol my bad... after the first line its a general "to everyone including myself" post..... your post just inspired me so much i couldnt stop.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 [quote name='littleflower' date='JMJ+Jan 25 2005, 11:14 PM'] oh dear....just so you know...that whole post wasn't directed towards you trai lol my bad... after the first line its a general "to everyone including myself" post..... your post just inspired me so much i couldnt stop.... [/quote] nah, i just meant i agreed with it! you're awesome... :thumb: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 The only person who can decide to change the norm of celibacy for priests in the Latin Rite is the Patriarch of the West, i.e., the Pope, and he has not seen fit to do so, nor is such a change likely to happen. As has been noted several times already in this thread, the Eastern Churches have married priests and they also have a shortage of clergy. The shortage of priests is not caused by celibacy; rather, it is caused by the materialist and consumerist mentality of Western society. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Or people just ignoring God's call. John Bosco said that God may call 1 in every 3 guys (maybe?) to the Priesthood.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 26 2005, 03:38 AM'] The only person who can decide to change the norm of celibacy for priests in the Latin Rite is the Patriarch of the West, i.e., the Pope, and he has not seen fit to do so, nor is such a change likely to happen. As has been noted several times already in this thread, the Eastern Churches have married priests and they also have a shortage of clergy. The shortage of priests is not caused by celibacy; rather, it is caused by the materialist and consumerist mentality of Western society. God bless, Todd [/quote] yep. It really is that simple. People just don't want to admit they have to change their whole lives. They blame it on the Church not being in step with their permissive and materialistic culture, not them being out of step with the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Hi, Nathan. What gives? It's my understanding that - re: priests and the Holy Sacrfice of the Mass - not that sex is unholy...but that one gives up a good, for a greater good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 and a priest abstaining from sex with his wife while offering sacrifices goes back to the Levitical priesthood. It's a pretty well grounded well established scriptural and symbolic tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 [url="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cclergy/documents/rc_con_cclergy_doc_01011993_chisto_en.html"]Priestly celibacy in patristics and in the history of the Church[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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