popestpiusx Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 The UN has no authority over any sovereign nation, member or not. The best thing for the US to do would be to pull out and either kick them out of the country or charge them some exorbitant amount of money for rent. Granting them more authority will only lead to more problems, to include complicating the situation even further in Iraq. We started the war. We have to finish it (in whatever way will result in the highest good possible.) All in all, I'm pretty pesimistic about any reasonable outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofizzle Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 [quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Jan 18 2005, 07:45 AM'] Giving the UN more power - now there's a scary thought. [/quote] I think the UN is useless.......if it served its purpose it wwould be a great thing. The UN needs to be done away with, but I do believe that the US should take point and start soemthing new...almost like a world police. Like a world government but with each country still maintaining its own sovereinty (sp?), but still be accountable to the world court...it would probably never work. but it would be cool. on a more realistic note. All countries should just submit their authority to The Holy See. Then we would have a Catholic world. that would be sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 [quote name='Scofizzle' date='Jan 18 2005, 04:04 PM'] Like a world government but with each country still maintaining its own sovereinty (sp?), but still be accountable to the world court...it would probably never work. but it would be cool. [/quote] Re-establish the Holy Roman Empire!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 I agree... although, I don't want it run by Germans this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS']Um..... maybe its just me, but I thought Random Proddy was joking when he said maybe we should give the UN more power.... not that I disagree with the refutations of such a position, I just didn't think he meant that comment to be taken seriously.[/quote] Oh, sorry. I was just skimming the posts and caught that; I didn't pay attention to the context. Again, sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Its ok, I just thought I should point it out to try and avoid any more confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 [quote name='Good Friday' date='Jan 18 2005, 05:47 PM'] [quote name='IcePrincessKRS']Um..... maybe its just me, but I thought Random Proddy was joking when he said maybe we should give the UN more power.... not that I disagree with the refutations of such a position, I just didn't think he meant that comment to be taken seriously.[/quote] Oh, sorry. I was just skimming the posts and caught that; I didn't pay attention to the context. Again, sorry! [/quote] I didn't think Random was joking either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary's Knight, La Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 it really doesn't sound like he was joking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Jan 18 2005, 04:31 PM'] I agree... although, I don't want it run by Germans this time. [/quote] Let the Irish run it. It will be more fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 YES!~!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I'll give this a go. Up until now I've been fairly supportive of this war, and maybe even so to convincing myself that it was just and good. My father, an Iraqi born man serves in the military as a translator of high standing. He says it was neccessary. I say, hogwash. As for the Archbishop, as much as we'd like to see our political enemies as being corrupt and wrong in every aspect, they aren't. There are muslims who have more Marian piety than one would expect from a Catholic ( I bet you didn't even know they liked Mary, much less prayed to her ). The Muslims would not keep an archibishop, for one, he's a good man, two, archbishops in Iraq are in good standing with the people ( why do I know, my great grand uncle was one ). They respect Christians (at least the more intellegent muslims do, you find the commoners blindnly following whatever order is barked at them) and an archbishop wouldn't have a hair touched on his head. As far as the war, I think we could have done alot more with negotiatins. Yes I know Saddam had plans to make the weapons, why my dad probably helped translate that document. Does it mean nothing could have been done, or even that the matter was so pressing that a little politcal presssure on the UN couldn't have sped it up? I think not. Iraq was a downtrodden country since those bloody embargos stole from one of the richest countries its wealth, and rightfully so. It was when those embargos were lifted that Saddam could have real manuverability to produce and use weapons of mass destruction. On the other hand, political presure by the states on the UN would have been enough tos peed it up (the search) and if anything worth going to war for was found, we would have found out well before the removal of the embargoes. Is America meant to be the world's police? Someone should do it, and preferabbly the UN, but it does need certain revisions. That makes the US the perfect candidate. I wouldn't even say it's imperialism, that age has come to an end. I don't think the US is in it for the oil, or for the land, etc. None of that has been near worth the cost for the US. I think all in all however, that instead of the US doing what it thinks is right as a "world police" type force, it should find more peacible means. Cops don't fire unless a weapon is out that could kill them. I wish the US used it's "world police" position to be half that careful at what people and countries it takes down. God bless, America, Iraq, and my family here and there, long live our beautiful countries, Mikey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jan 18 2005, 10:54 PM'] Let the Irish run it. It will be more fun. [/quote] I'm Catholic... I'm Irish (and Scottish, German, Jewish, and American Indian)... I want to be president of de world. First action would be to go to the Pope and ask him to have a council decide on the laws of the land. Second would be to give the Church power by council to remove any president and select a new president at anytime. Third and so on... outlaw pornography, make it illegal to lie about the Catholic Church (or any other church for that matter), help the homeless and poor (Halfway houses, schooling, etc...), fix the schools, etc.... God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 (edited) Looks like I got some explainin' to do [quote]Pope John Paul II explains the proper role of the government -- it should not usurp functions which can be accomplished at the lower level, but should rather seek to aid communities of a lower order in performing these functions and to coordinate one community's activity with another's. [/quote] I agree, the priority of a case and it's importance to society should influence what level of government regulates (or doesn't) it. In this case, I fail to see how a state or county jurisdiction could have made a case of it's state or country going to war in Iraq. If i'm not mistaken, I believe it's beyond their remit What I'm saying is balancing out the UNSC and making it a bit more multilateral would make big strides. For example, giving Japan, Germany and India means that the US has 3 votes (UK, US, Japan) the anti-American part of the EU has two votes (Germany, France) and the rest of the world is pliable. [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Jan 18 2005, 08:57 PM'] Um..... maybe its just me, but I thought Random Proddy was joking when he said maybe we should give the UN more power.... not that I disagree with the refutations of such a position, I just didn't think he meant that comment to be taken seriously. [/quote] I should have used the word "influence" rather than "power". I don't think it should be given any more power than it already has but when a decision is made it certainly should be listened to. Of course, there are other ways to start a war without using the UNSC. Some of them I'd support.. Edited January 19, 2005 by RandomProddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jan 19 2005, 03:54 AM'] Let the Irish run it. It will be more fun. [/quote] I'm not so sure about that. The Irish government seem to be going really nazi recently. Banning all smoking in pubs and being generally lovey-duvey to the EU. I think I'd modify it to "Let the Irish run it - once they have had a few " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Monk you're part Jewish? Me too! Shalom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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