musturde Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jan 17 2005, 01:56 PM'] Hmmm... I never got that feeling. [/quote] Me neither, i believe he was trying to clarify that the Eucharist that was recieved from the ex-priest was valid and since the people didn't know he wasn't a valid priest, it didn't count against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 (edited) [quote name='musturde' date='Jan 18 2005, 09:54 PM'] Me neither, i believe he was trying to clarify that the Eucharist that was recieved from the ex-priest was valid and since the people didn't know he wasn't a valid priest, it didn't count against them. [/quote] The point is, there is no such thing as an ex-priest. Once a priest is ordained, he never loses the power to consecrate, regardless of his canonical status. The only thing he loses is his power to consecrate licitly. In other words, he still consecrates but he violates the law by doing so. He abuses the power of the priesthood, who consecrates without proper jurisdiction. But the consecration is still valid because he is still a valid priest. Edited January 19, 2005 by popestpiusx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Doesn't the soul of the man changed when he is ordained into the Priesthood? Sorry if I am interrupting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 [quote name='FutureNunJMJ' date='Jan 18 2005, 10:38 PM'] Doesn't the soul of the man changed when he is ordained into the Priesthood? Sorry if I am interrupting... [/quote] In some sense, yes. He recieves an "indelible mark" upon his soul, the character of the sacrament. This mark or character can never be removed or erased, even by the Church. They are changed for all eternity. By the way, you are not interrupting anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jan 18 2005, 09:34 PM'] The point is, there is no such thing as an ex-priest. Once a priest is ordained, he never loses the power to consecrate, regardless of his canonical status. The only thing he loses is his power to consecrate licitly. In other words, he still consecrates but he violates the law by doing so. He abuses the power of the priesthood, who consecrates without proper jurisdiction. But the consecration is still valid because he is still a valid priest. [/quote] I meant that, i just kinda used the wrong terminology haha... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 I figured you knew what you were talking about. I just wanted to make sure that the issue is clear for those who are confused about it. It's a very important point of theology. When people forget or do not know the truth about the sacramental character of ordination, it becomes very easy to blur the lines between the priesthood and the laity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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