delta557 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 If you don't support the war against Iraq, you are fighting for the same cause as Saddam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 [quote name='cathqat' date='Jan 17 2005, 03:10 PM'] Would you say the same to all members of the Church who opposed the US going to war in Iraq? Including Pope John Paul II?[/quote] Technically speaking, it is impossible for the Pope to commit treason against the United States, because he isn't an American citizen. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 17 2005, 05:24 PM'] Technically speaking, it is impossible for the Pope to commit treason against the United States, because he isn't an American citizen. [/quote] Yes, I know he is not an American, but the question still raises a valid point: Should he be called by similar slanderous names? Would it be legitimate to say Pope John Paul II is "fighting for the same cause as Saddam," as delta claims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 And so, returning to delta557: Do you really believe that Pope John Paul II is "fighting for the same cause as Saddam"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta557 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 [quote name='cathqat' date='Jan 17 2005, 06:08 PM'] And so, returning to delta557: Do you really believe that Pope John Paul II is "fighting for the same cause as Saddam"? [/quote] If the Pope is saying that America has no right to be in Iraq and that what we are doing is wrong, then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Good people can disagree with the war in Iraq. This does not mean they side with terrorists, so don't even go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta557 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 It's just like the President said...you're either with us or against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 Catholics understand that in many areas, there are grey places. In essential things - unity, in all things charity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 18, 2005 Share Posted January 18, 2005 [quote name='delta557' date='Jan 17 2005, 06:51 PM'] It's just like the President said...you're either with us or against us. [/quote] Well, if I die tomorrow, I think I'd rather be with the Pope than the President any day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 Teenagers are trained to fight there. Under Saddam, The military was mandatory. My family has been sent to the front lines of Iraqi wars for no reason, wanting nothing to do with it. Iraq has a track record of starting them young, and I can only agree that work towards a vocation should start at an early age. Sadly this teen probably had little choice or never saw another oppertunity except for his supposed eternal reward in militant Islam. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookwyrm Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Jan 15 2005, 07:18 PM'] Stupid [color=red] ----- [/color] Americans. [/quote] That was unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeodatus Posted January 19, 2005 Share Posted January 19, 2005 :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: I am shocked by most of you on this thread. First of all, to those using this news story to go America-bashing, do you know the facts of the case, and the circumstances? You assume this is a straightforward murder, and a one year sentence is certainly (in such circumstances) an utter scandal. BUT, this is not a straightforward case. Second, to those determined to exonerate Americans and blame Iraqis at any cost, what makes you all so sure this kid was a terrorist? Many of you say something along the lines of "he was probably a terrorist"---so that makes it alright to kill a kid? Also, why bandy the term 'terrorist' around so freely? One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Look closely at the details of the case. Now I do recall this story, and it is tragic. The American soldier mistakenly fired at a group of teenagers. One lad was mortally wounded, and was dying in great agony. The soldier, in a panic (and probably without moral formation in this area), decided to end the kid's misery by shooting him in the head and killing him. He did. The kid died. It was euthanasia, but don't forget the soldier was in a panic. His mortal wounding of the boy would probably be judged as 'manslaughter'. His act of euthanasia was committed under duress, and he deserves our pity for that. One year imprisonment is more than enough surely? BUT I would question his alleged accidental shooting of the lad. Was he trying to scare them, or did he do it deliberately? Did he know they posed no risk, or did he not care? In any case, I am surprised that most of the Americans responding on this thread had never heard of the story. Do you think there might be a huge mismatch between the news Americans hear about their soldiers in Iraq, and what non-Americans hear? For example, how many of you have heard this story: [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/middle_east_shooting_in_tal_afar/html/1.stm"]Shooting in Iraq[/url]? Can you begin to see why so many people have a negative opinion? Please don't oversimplify things. Things are not, as Cmom said, black and white. Our soldiers are trying to bring peace and stability to Iraq, but some of them have killed a great number of civilians, and some have horrendously abused people. Many terrorist cell-groups function in the chaos which is Iraq today, and they attack American soldiers and Western and Iraqi civilians. But can't you see the people always caught in between are the ordinary Iraqis? Please don't triviliase their terror and grief by castigating them all as terrorists. And likewise to the others, don't say daft things like "Stupid Americans". Do you imagine their whole nation is a gun-toting, belligerent society with nothing else to do but go around killing foreigners? Do you?! The people you disagree with are your brothers and sisters. You may disagree with them, but don't forget they are your own flesh and blood, and yes.... you are your brother's keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 [quote] Please don't oversimplify things. Things are not, as Cmom said, black and white. Our soldiers are trying to bring peace and stability to Iraq, but some of them have killed a great number of civilians, and some have horrendously abused people. Many terrorist cell-groups function in the chaos which is Iraq today, and they attack American soldiers and Western and Iraqi civilians. But can't you see the people always caught in between are the ordinary Iraqis? Please don't triviliase their terror and grief by castigating them all as terrorists.[/quote] I think this is the truest statement I've heard all day. However that link you put up puts such a passion in me to see my people set free from foriegn influence, be it other Arabic muslim extremists, or Americans who have caused the enterance of the former. At any rate, any hardcore, suppoort America or be wrong folk, for the sake of charity, cease and desist. For all those who bash the US, your cause is null, making America look bad won't help my country. But I will say this, both American and Muslim forces have ripped apart a country and culture with a beautiful history and people to match. A country that is the home of several Eastern Rites, and of tolerant Christians and Muslims. As for the soldier, any man should act out of self defense in a war situation. But God is the only just judge, and will hand out punishment accordingly. There is little we can do about how he gets treated since we don't know the specifics. He may not even deserve jail. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 On that note this thread should end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 [quote]a prime example of America's bureacracy and double-standards. [/quote] I'm sure the Aborigine's haven't experienced any double standards from the Austrailian government. Take off the halo, Aussie, the light from it's obscuring the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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