thessalonian Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I first want to thank those who prayed for me. I know that there were many prayers for me (thanks for yours) as my hands never came in to contact with his neck :D . I remained calm through all of the nonsense and though I am a nervous guy at heart, the nerves didn't get to me. The debate was interesting. He basically went the route "I can't figure out what infallibility actually is and I see some Catholics disagree with it, so I am going to throw every sin of a Catholic Pope and every arguement that dissenters of the Catholic Church have at it". He had some books by those who want women priests and quoted liberally out of them. I refuted what I could of it. But in general I feel pretty good about how things went. I spent the first 25 minutes in scripture. He spent none. This strikes me as very strange and I told him so in an email. If scripture is for "correction, rebuke, teaching" (the usual Sola Scriptura veres) etc. Then I am still wondering where my correction and rebuke came in. I still haven't got it. He weakly refuted some of what I had to say. Some of it he disagreed with the usual protestant habadashery. He agree that Peter had Primacy. That men could be infallible (when writing scripture), that sins of popes don't mean much in the arguement. He agrees with infallibility of the Church, though cannot lay his hands on exactly what it is. At any rate scripture says in Heb 4:12 that the word of God is what convicts the soul and so that is what I presented. He failed to do this and to that end I think he may have lost the debate with regard to the souls of those who were there. They will not be at peace until they reconcile their lives with my scriptural presentation. I was also on the radio for 45 minutes with him on Friday. That was pretty benign as the woman who did the show did most of the talking. I did get a plug in for the Eucharist and some quotes out of John 6. She asked how my wife came to the Church. John 6 was key to that. I do find the whole thing to be providential, falling on JP II's 25 aniversy. Much more I could say but that is the lowdown. I feel pretty good about it. There were 5 Catholics there (out of about 30 people). Afterward these three anti-catholics came up and started debating us. That was real interesting. Nice people but very blind. Usual "call no man father" nonsense. One guy used that one on me. GOING GOING GONE. IT'S A HOME RUN. I have the debate and radio show on tape. Not sure what I will do with it yet. Thanks again for all your prayers. Blessings Thessalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 very cool! I'm glad it went well for you. You should do something with the tape, maybe give it to dUSt and he could put it on phatmass? I dunno. But you should do something with it to put it out into the world. Pax, Edited by moderator: personal information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 That's wonderful, Thessalonian! Congrats!!! B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 (edited) very cool! I'm glad it went well for you. You should do something with the tape, maybe give it to dUSt and he could put it on phatmass? I dunno. But you should do something with it to put it out into the world. Pax, Edited by moderator: personal information Thess, I'd be glad to put it online in streaming audio if you'd like. Edited May 26, 2006 by Lil Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 That would be so cool to listen to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Wow, thess, that is so amesome!!!! I'd be willing to listen via internet!!!! I'm all ears! B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 yah thta would be cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 If we get a chat room you could play it over the mic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 wow im so proud of you thess! im so glad to hear how things went.... know that we have been keeping you in our thoughts and prayers! +JMJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennC Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 "I spent the first 25 minutes in scripture. ... He spent none." ... and I just gotta shake my head as an ex-Protestant when I hear things like "Catholics don't even know what a Bible looks like". I love my brothers but so often have to wonder, "what are .. you thinking". Well done Thessalonian and God Bless you in your efforts. Peace of Christ, Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I first want to thank those who prayed for me. I know that there were many prayers for me (thanks for yours) as my hands never came in to contact with his neck :D . I remained calm through all of the nonsense and though I am a nervous guy at heart, the nerves didn't get to me. The debate was interesting. He basically went the route "I can't figure out what infallibility actually is and I see some Catholics disagree with it, so I am going to throw every sin of a Catholic Pope and every arguement that dissenters of the Catholic Church have at it". He had some books by those who want women priests and quoted liberally out of them. I refuted what I could of it. But in general I feel pretty good about how things went. I spent the first 25 minutes in scripture. He spent none. This strikes me as very strange and I told him so in an email. If scripture is for "correction, rebuke, teaching" (the usual Sola Scriptura veres) etc. Then I am still wondering where my correction and rebuke came in. I still haven't got it. He weakly refuted some of what I had to say. Some of it he disagreed with the usual protestant habadashery. He agree that Peter had Primacy. That men could be infallible (when writing scripture), that sins of popes don't mean much in the arguement. He agrees with infallibility of the Church, though cannot lay his hands on exactly what it is. At any rate scripture says in Heb 4:12 that the word of God is what convicts the soul and so that is what I presented. He failed to do this and to that end I think he may have lost the debate with regard to the souls of those who were there. They will not be at peace until they reconcile their lives with my scriptural presentation. I was also on the radio for 45 minutes with him on Friday. That was pretty benign as the woman who did the show did most of the talking. I did get a plug in for the Eucharist and some quotes out of John 6. She asked how my wife came to the Church. John 6 was key to that. I do find the whole thing to be providential, falling on JP II's 25 aniversy. Much more I could say but that is the lowdown. I feel pretty good about it. There were 5 Catholics there (out of about 30 people). Afterward these three anti-catholics came up and started debating us. That was real interesting. Nice people but very blind. Usual "call no man father" nonsense. One guy used that one on me. GOING GOING GONE. IT'S A HOME RUN. I have the debate and radio show on tape. Not sure what I will do with it yet. Thanks again for all your prayers. Blessings Thessalonian Lets see this guy believes in the primacy of Peter AND the in the infalliblilty of the Church. He is halfway here already. Do you want to invite him to phatmass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeraMaria Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Wow thess, this is great!! B) I prayed a rosary for you... :D It would be really cool if we could listen to it via Internet!! Pretty Pleeease?? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Congrats! As you know, we've also been envolved in a "private" debate with "pastor" Ed, in the other thread (no more rhyms I mean it... LOL). Okay, well, he used the "call no man your father." line, but then followed it up with: "Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works..." Is that a laugh or what. In trying to disprove the call no man your father bit, he then quotes Paul as calling Abraham our father! Hahahahaha~ We shouldn't laugh. We should really pray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeraMaria Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 As you know, we've also been envolved in a "private" debate with "pastor" Ed, in the other thread (no more rhyms I mean it... LOL). We shouldn't laugh. We should really pray. How "private"!!!!!!!!!!!! We shouldn't laugh. We should really pray. Yeah....we probably should....*Vera Makes a mental note to herself to set a day aside for this intention* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I doubt he believes in the infallibility of the CATHOLIC Church! He prolly means that 'invisible church of all true believers.' :blink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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