cooltuba Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:58 AM'] That's very interesting. I've had 3 psychiatrists, 3 psychologists, 2 therapists, 5 medical doctors, 2 case workers, and a bunch of phlebotomists and pharmacists working with me. Not all simultaneously but oftentimes all within a week of one another. Not the most fun time I've ever had. Now I'm down to 1 psychiatrist, 1 medical doctor, Allison - my fave phlebotomist, and a couple of pharmacists. So I've had the GID diagnosis from 6 shrinks and been poked and prodded enough to know it will never go away. [/quote] I just read a page about GID ( [url="http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/rekers.html"]http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/rekers.html[/url] ), it seems to be a valid medical condition. There are some groups pushing for the de-classification of it as a medical condition, but I think they're full of carp. The research shows no clues as to the cause of it. There are cases of boys as young as three who insist that they are girls. Never say it won't go away. God has performed many a miracle, don't count yourself out yet. Also, if this never does go away, and you struggle with it your entire life, your reward in Heaven for fighting the Good fight will be far greater than the turmoil you experience here on Earth. Peace, Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 14 2005, 02:09 AM'] Love? And ummm...the Church hates me because it expects me to do nothing meaningful with my life other than to be a secular human being. [/quote] I kinda find this insulting. One has to be a priest to 'do something meaningful' with your life? You're obviously young and arrogant because of your inexperience. Some of the most meaningful people in my life were/are ordinary people in ordinary times doing ordinary acts of christian kindness, faithfulness, loyalty, etc. I didn't and don't necessarily know for sure all their sexaul tendencies or pre-dispositions. My oldest and closest male friend is gay and lives an openly homosexual lifestyle. Though I disagree and disapprove of that part of him, to me it's only a small part and our friendship and relationship and our decades of history together is more important, more meaningful, more significant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 14 2005, 02:09 AM'] Love? And ummm...the Church hates me because it expects me to do nothing meaningful with my life other than to be a secular human being. [/quote] Well first of all the Church does love you. Would it be love for them to let you transgress God's laws and destroy your life. The Church has no authority to change what you want changed. It's purpose is to guide and bring the grace to people so that they can live God's lives and have MORE fullfilling lives. A man who has a problem with cheating on his wife may have a sexual attraction to all women. Now is the church being mean and hateful but asking him to remain faithful to his wife. The priests and the pope must be celibate in ther roles as our leaders who have concern for our souls (Heb 13:17). If they view this negatively as the Church denying them something and are bitter about it they will never be true to their calling of the priesthood. You have a calling. God has things he wants you to do. But to do them well you must root the sin out of your life. You must loose attachment to this sin that you apparently still have a liking to. That is what the Church wants for you so that you will not be enslaved by your passoins and can see God's will in your life. I will pray for you. God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Well I suppose that I could have geussed that this would be the church's stand on this issue. Needless to say that I am not surprised here at all. You know my prayers always with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Jan 14 2005, 12:45 AM'] That is a beautiful statement. In C&L talk, you just exalted my "I." [/quote] yeah, i was gonna say that sounded very C&L hyper, spatha (i keep wanting to type spaszoid ) you both have my prayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
track2004 Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 I got to admit I do likes me some CL. It helps me articulate stuffs better, among other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='JazzforJesus' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:10 AM'] look she is having enough troubles in her life, how about respect, listen, and pray for her. Im Praying for her [/quote] It was an honest question. No offence intended. Just a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 I do not think that the church hates you. They care about you. It is more important for them to have a standard procedure that doesn't take into account personal life conditions or anything. Sadly it has been this way throughout history. Some of the the great saints ever were kicked out of the church. I would simply encourage you to continue on in faith. Try to follow God's standard laid down in the Bible. Each person is called to do this no matter their sexual orientation. You are called to do nothing else. The other choices are your own. We are not judged in the end by the church's standards. We are judged by the merits of our chioces and Gods. Other than that, there is nothing else. Prayers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='thessalonian' date='Jan 14 2005, 09:06 AM'] Well first of all the Church does love you. Would it be love for them to let you transgress God's laws and destroy your life. The Church has no authority to change what you want changed. It's purpose is to guide and bring the grace to people so that they can live God's lives and have MORE fullfilling lives. A man who has a problem with cheating on his wife may have a sexual attraction to all women. Now is the church being mean and hateful but asking him to remain faithful to his wife. The priests and the pope must be celibate in ther roles as our leaders who have concern for our souls (Heb 13:17). If they view this negatively as the Church denying them something and are bitter about it they will never be true to their calling of the priesthood. You have a calling. God has things he wants you to do. But to do them well you must root the sin out of your life. You must loose attachment to this sin that you apparently still have a liking to. That is what the Church wants for you so that you will not be enslaved by your passoins and can see God's will in your life. I will pray for you. God bless [/quote] What sin? I'm not sinning. I'm not sinning according to the Church. I've followed this teaching to the letter. I've been extremely careful not to stray outside the bounds of what the Church permits. So I'd like you to clarify my SIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='jasJis' date='Jan 14 2005, 08:09 AM'] I kinda find this insulting. One has to be a priest to 'do something meaningful' with your life? You're obviously young and arrogant because of your inexperience. Some of the most meaningful people in my life were/are ordinary people in ordinary times doing ordinary acts of christian kindness, faithfulness, loyalty, etc. I didn't and don't necessarily know for sure all their sexaul tendencies or pre-dispositions. My oldest and closest male friend is gay and lives an openly homosexual lifestyle. Though I disagree and disapprove of that part of him, to me it's only a small part and our friendship and relationship and our decades of history together is more important, more meaningful, more significant... [/quote] It isn't a question of arrogance, and I don't think it is really a question of age. To be perfectly honest, I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about. I know everyone has their own struggles, but I seriously doubt you've ever dealt with anything even approaching this magnitude. So what if I'm upset about not being considered mentally stable enough to join a religious order? You wouldn't understand how that feels. In fact, if you want to speak of arrogance, the height of arrogance is for somebody like you to even attempt to tell someone like me that I'm being arrogant for being sick and tired of not having any choices in my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 yet even if we might not understand, suffering is not foreign to any of us here. Each person is given a different cross to bear. Some have many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='jezic' date='Jan 14 2005, 02:16 PM'] yet even if we might not understand, suffering is not foreign to any of us here. Each person is given a different cross to bear. Some have many. [/quote] Yeah but the Church doesn't call you mentally unstable and your peers don't call you arrogant for being unhappy about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 (edited) [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 14 2005, 02:19 PM'] Yeah but the Church doesn't call you mentally unstable and your peers don't call you arrogant for being unhappy about it. [/quote] If I said I was unhappy because I could not indulge with other women (I am married and have 8 children by the way) even though I do have attractions to other women what would you think of that? If this were the cause of my unhappiness it would make me no happier if the Church said "go ahead". It would destroy my marriage and my children. This could not possibly make me happy. God does have plans for your life and you need to find happiness in trusting in him with an open heart. We all have tendencies toward sin which are defects of our nature. These defects are not sin if we do not act on the temptations. It sounds like you don't and that is great. I applaud you in this day and age when it would be so easy to do so. Do not give up in the struggle against sin, as I must not in my resolve to keep my marriage and family together for the greater good. God bless Edited January 14, 2005 by thessalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='thessalonian' date='Jan 14 2005, 02:39 PM'] If I said I was unhappy because I could not indulge with other women (I am married and have 8 children by the way) even though I do have attractions to other women what would you think of that? If this were the cause of my unhappiness it would make me no happier if the Church said "go ahead". It would destroy my marriage and my children. This could not possibly make me happy. God does have plans for your life and you need to find happiness in trusting in him with an open heart. [/quote] 1) Trusting in God and trusting in the Church are two different things 2) Adultery is clearly wrong. Where is it written that it is wrong for people like me to join religious orders? I'm not debating the marriage thing - that issue is so complicated nobody could sort it out. Please don't compare my life to sin - it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:42 PM'] 1) Trusting in God and trusting in the Church are two different things 2) Adultery is clearly wrong. Where is it written that it is wrong for people like me to join religious orders? I'm not debating the marriage thing - that issue is so complicated nobody could sort it out. [/quote] 1) To trust God is to trust the Church He founded to act in His name. The Church is the Mystical Body of Christ. As such it is free from spot or blemish. 2) When one becomes a priest, one becomes an alter Christus. To become a nun, one becomes the spouse of Christ. The sex of the individual is very much involved in both cases, and as such any confusion or disorder in that realm puts an undue strain on the relationship and makes it very difficult to properly carry out the required role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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