cooltuba Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 spathariossa, You should realize that the Church does not hate you. Everyone is a sinner, and one person's sins are not worse than another's. I tried to post my opinion on homosexuality in Aluigi's Good Friday thread in the debate table, but the thread got locked while I was typing my reply. Basically, I don't think that people choose to be homosexual, but I do not believe God makes them homosexual. I can't say what it is, and it may be different for each individual. Anyway, homosexuality is a Cross to bear; we all have them. Please don't take offense to anything I've said. If I offended you, just chalk it up to "he's never been in my shoes" and blow it off. The fact is that I haven't been in your situation, and I really can't say how I'd handle it. I'd like to think that I'd follow the Church's teachings and lead an abstinate life, but I can't say for certain because I've never had to make the decision. Peace, Love, and Prayers, Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 She isn't a homosexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:13 AM'] She isn't a homosexual. [/quote] Thanks for sparing me that :hug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='cooltuba' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:12 AM'] spathariossa, You should realize that the Church does not hate you. Everyone is a sinner, and one person's sins are not worse than another's. I tried to post my opinion on homosexuality in Aluigi's Good Friday thread in the debate table, but the thread got locked while I was typing my reply. Basically, I don't think that people choose to be homosexual, but I do not believe God makes them homosexual. I can't say what it is, and it may be different for each individual. Anyway, homosexuality is a Cross to bear; we all have them. Please don't take offense to anything I've said. If I offended you, just chalk it up to "he's never been in my shoes" and blow it off. The fact is that I haven't been in your situation, and I really can't say how I'd handle it. I'd like to think that I'd follow the Church's teachings and lead an abstinate life, but I can't say for certain because I've never had to make the decision. Peace, Love, and Prayers, Tim [/quote] Even though I'm not gay, thanks for the sentiment. It is appreciated. And yes, I do follow the Church I'm just a bit upset. Completely celibate, but upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltuba Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:13 AM'] She isn't a homosexual. [/quote] I'm sorry. Look, I don't even know the whole situation. I don't know the proper etiquitte for terminology as it applies to trans-sexuals. I was just trying to offer words of encouragement; please look past my technical faux-paus and get the gist of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:15 AM'] Thanks for sparing me that :hug: [/quote] I understand. Hmm. I'm gonna start my own thread it's late and truth seems necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:23 AM'] I understand. Hmm. I'm gonna start my own thread it's late and truth seems necessary. [/quote] Okay! I'll be there for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='cooltuba' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:23 AM'] I'm sorry. Look, I don't even know the whole situation. I don't know the proper etiquitte for terminology as it applies to trans-sexuals. I was just trying to offer words of encouragement; please look past my technical faux-paus and get the gist of my post. [/quote] I wasn't criticising. I've read your posts. I think the Church needs more people like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='cooltuba' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:23 AM'] I'm sorry. Look, I don't even know the whole situation. I don't know the proper etiquitte for terminology as it applies to trans-sexuals. I was just trying to offer words of encouragement; please look past my technical faux-paus and get the gist of my post. [/quote] No harm done. Really. It's a confusing issue and not one most people know about. Thanks for your support. Peace be with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 *feels afraid* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:28 AM'] *feels afraid* [/quote] Awww :patpat: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltuba Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:17 AM'] Even though I'm not gay, thanks for the sentiment. It is appreciated. And yes, I do follow the Church I'm just a bit upset. Completely celibate, but upset. [/quote] I'm really glad to hear that you follow the Church. You're a stronger woman than I would be. After going through the long process and surgeries only to find out that I am still not allowed to express my sexuality, I would be much more shaken than you are. God Bless you and your beautiful faith. God loves you more than you can comprehend. My prayers are with you. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='cooltuba' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:32 AM'] I'm really glad to hear that you follow the Church. You're a stronger woman than I would be. After going through the long process and surgeries only to find out that I am still not allowed to express my sexuality, I would be much more shaken than you are. God Bless you and your beautiful faith. God loves you more than you can comprehend. My prayers are with you. Tim [/quote] I haven't had surgery. I'm not sure I want it and the church doesn't like it. The jury is still out on the issue. Surgery kinda scares me and vaguely creeps me out. Then again male anatomy massively creeps me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooltuba Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 14 2005, 03:33 AM'] I haven't had surgery. I'm not sure I want it and the church doesn't like it. The jury is still out on the issue. Surgery kinda scares me and vaguely creeps me out. Then again male anatomy massively creeps me out. [/quote] I'd like to share a personal experience; I honestly don't know if this is anything of similar nature to what you experience. Ok, so I had a problem with communication with my parents and we went to see a counselor. We had a couple of group sessions with both of my parents and I and we got things worked out quickly. The counselor asked me if I'd like to meet with her privately, and I took her up on it. She asked me some questions about myself, and one of the things that she found out that I really didn't realize until she asked those questions is that I thought of myself as worthless. I felt that I didn't have anything to offer anyone, neither dating wise or professionally. She told me that throughout our lives, we tend to make false assumptions about ourselves, sometimes someone tells us something when we're young and we take it to heart, and make it a reality for ourselves. She gave the example of when she was a child, someone told her she couldn't dance, so all throughout her life she believed she couldn't dance. When she met her husband, he loved to dance, and he wouldn't take no for an answer. With his instruction, she learned to dance and she loves it. Anyway, she did something called EMDR. It's almost like hypnosis, but not really. It involves moving your eyes from left to right while the therapist asks questions for you to think about. There's more to it, but I really don't remember all that much about it. I do remember that moving your eyes from side to side activates both sides of your brain, and that helps to get past those false assumptions we've made about ourselves. The funny thing is that I didn't even realize how much it helped when we were doing the treatments. The realization of how much she'd actually helped didn't come until months later, when I was reading the book "If The Buddha Dated". It talks about false assumptions and reccommends EMDR as a way to move past them. The book is all about getting to know yourself and then getting to like who you are. Now, I realize that neither of these examples of false assumptions that were overcome don't even come close to being creeped out/grossed out by your own body, but I just thought I'd share my experience with you. Peace, Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 14, 2005 Author Share Posted January 14, 2005 (edited) That's very interesting. I've had 3 psychiatrists, 3 psychologists, 2 therapists, 5 medical doctors, 2 case workers, and a bunch of phlebotomists and pharmacists working with me. Not all simultaneously but oftentimes all within a week of one another. Not the most fun time I've ever had. Now I'm down to 1 psychiatrist, 1 medical doctor, Allison - my fave phlebotomist, and a couple of pharmacists. So I've had the GID diagnosis from 6 shrinks and been poked and prodded enough to know it will never go away. Edited January 14, 2005 by spathariossa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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