FilmGuy127 Posted January 15, 2005 Author Share Posted January 15, 2005 yeah... that would be cool... maybe itll be like the special features on the creation dvd... just imagine what that audio commentary would be like... "....uh welcome to the... audio commentary on the dvd of existince.... im God, i was the supreme being for this one... yeah for this mountain we had to accutally use two volcanos.... " ... maybe he put em there to give us something to dig up... or maybe for the fossil fuels... anyway its kinda fun to think about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='thessalonian' date='Jan 13 2005, 10:37 AM'] We must believe that God created a man called Adam and a woman called Eve. [/quote] i acknowledge that we must believe that humanity began w/ one man and one woman, but it was my understanding that we didn't have to believe that "Adam" and "Eve" were their names. am i wrong about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Jan 14 2005, 08:19 PM'] What's funny about it? Just curious. I bet it would be very interesting to hear those guys takes on things, I'm sure they know a lot. [/quote] I have heard them speak. They are quite interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 The names "Adam" and "Eve" can be understood as assertions that they are First Parents, rather than actual, literal names. However, it must always be held that there were indeed two individuals, one male, one female, whom God created, who were the First Parents of all humanity, and who were created in a State of Original Justice but fell from such Grace through Original Sin. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Jan 15 2005, 09:34 AM'] i acknowledge that we must believe that humanity began w/ one man and one woman, but it was my understanding that we didn't have to believe that "Adam" and "Eve" were their names. am i wrong about that? [/quote] I think arguing over there names is pointless. Other than the significance of the meaning of the names, I don't know that it is terribly relevent. I think you are pretty much right though. We have to believe that all mankind descended from two first parents. It is also de fide that the woman was created from the side of the man (if Fr. Brian Harrison is correct, which I think is the case). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Sorry about the redundancy, Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='FilmGuy127' date='Jan 14 2005, 08:17 PM'] ok, its agreed that it doesnt really make a diffrence wether or not it was 7 days or millions of years... i can go with that... the question, or rather thought, that springs to my mind now is that either way... there was a creation of the fossil record of the earth... we know there are dinos buried down there... so... if it was 7days were they put there in that state? ...kinda like in hitchhikers guide... and either way... what was/is the point of the dinos... [/quote] The Fossil record actually does more to disprove the old earth theory than it does to support it. Just think about it. How many animals do you know of that stick around long enough after they die to become fossilized. Fossils are not created over millions of years. They would have to be created almost instantly to preserve the kind of detail commonly found (scales, feathers, in some cases, even soft materials like the space that would have been filled by the body (not the shell) of a snail). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jan 15 2005, 11:45 AM'] They would have to be created almost instantly to preserve the kind of detail commonly found (scales, feathers, in some cases, even soft materials like the space that would have been filled by the body (not the shell) of a snail). [/quote] You mean like in a massive flood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jan 15 2005, 01:14 PM'] You mean like in a massive flood? [/quote] That would be one explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jan 15 2005, 11:45 AM'] The Fossil record actually does more to disprove the old earth theory than it does to support it. [/quote] Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that is one argument used by some creationists......that when you look at fossils, you hardly find any cases of a "transition" type animal, an animal that would be in transition in evolving from one species to a different species. This talk has sparked some interest. I'm going to read up on some creation science theories and evidene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Jan 15 2005, 08:34 AM'] i acknowledge that we must believe that humanity began w/ one man and one woman, but it was my understanding that we didn't have to believe that "Adam" and "Eve" were their names. am i wrong about that? [/quote] The "names" are associated with the etiological purposes of the story. No assertion is made by the Church that these are the actual words they used to address each other, as if they spoke Hebrew. These are, rather, the terms we use to identify them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jan 15 2005, 11:04 AM'] It is also de fide that the woman was created from the side of the man [/quote] Most of the Church Fathers appear to have understood the significance of creation from Adam's side in a primarily symbolic way. Are you suggesting that it is a factual/scientific description? On what grounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 I had always understood it as, among other things, pertaining to the fact that man is above woman in the Order of Authority - that is, a thing cannot have natural authority over its primary source, just as an effect cannot exceed its cause - and, as such, the woman cannot have natural authority over the man, from whom she came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 As scientific? No. As historically accurate? In some sense, yes. Let me give you a link to the paper. I'd rather not summarize it and it's too long to post here. [url="http://www.kolbecenter.org/harrison.eve.html"]Here's the paper, authored and delivered by Fr. Brian Harrison.[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Jan 15 2005, 07:33 PM'] I had always understood it as, among other things, pertaining to the fact that man is above woman in the Order of Authority [/quote] No, being made from his side signifies woman is also a human person like the man, that they (unlike all other creatures) share a common humanity, their solidarity and somatic unity, that she is a "corresponding help" or "counterpart" ([i]'ezer kenegdo[/i]) to him (and he to her), etc. The Hebrew and Aramaic words for "side" ([i]sela'[/i] and [i]sila'[/i]) are apparently still used to signify a friend or kinsman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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