Creation

[bookwyrm]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jan 13 2005, 12:35 PM'] 7 literal day creationist :wave: [/quote]
Are you willing to put forward any reasonable scientific argument for this, or are you basing your stance on a scientific issue only on the Bible (which doesn't presume to teach us science)?

I'm just interested. I have nothing against either creationism or evolutionism, but I have yet to hear any intelligent creationist arguments, and I'd be interested in finding some.

God bless,

-Bookwyrm

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

bookwyrm,
Check the reference section for websites on this issue, including some that argue for creationism.

I base my creationism off of my own scientific research on the 'net. I recognize a Catholic can be an evolutionist (I used to be one), but with the knowledge I [i]currently[/i] have, I believe it is false.

Have not decided on young or old earth theory yet though...

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FilmGuy127' date='Jan 13 2005, 11:21 AM'] Hey, can anybody here tell me what the party line(church teaching) on creation is... and explain it too if you can..

-thx- [/quote]
God created everything out of nothing. THe Bible explains why.
The details are a bit fuzzy since CNN wasn't there to report the scientific details.

We are free to believe in took six literal days or that it took billions of years. \
Why is more important than how.

Edited January 14, 2005 by cmotherofpirl

[Joseph]

As a biologist, I have to say evolution is an excellent theory. Whether God decided to create everything in a way like evolution or to create everything within 6 days, I'm not sure. I dont think about it too much, since what is important is understanding that everything was created by God, not how He did it. The funny thing is that studying science has helped strengthen my faith in God.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jan 13 2005, 12:35 PM'] 7 literal day creationist :wave: [/quote]
Me too.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jan 13 2005, 01:02 PM'] Six days... He rested on the 7th. [/quote]
Uh......I mean, me too.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='bookwyrm' date='Jan 13 2005, 07:01 PM'] Are you willing to put forward any reasonable scientific argument for this, or are you basing your stance on a scientific issue only on the Bible (which doesn't presume to teach us science)?

I'm just interested. I have nothing against either creationism or evolutionism, but I have yet to hear any intelligent creationist arguments, and I'd be interested in finding some.

God bless,

-Bookwyrm [/quote]
Let me give you a short list of creationists:

[b]Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo[/b]
Prof. Emeritus, California State University
Adjunct Prof. of Physiology,
Institute for Creation Research
M.S., Kinesiology
Univ. of Illinois
Ph.D., Kinesiology,
Univ.of Iowa
Post-Doc Research, Human Physiology,
Univ.of Chicago Medical School

[b]Rev. Victor P. Warkulwiz [/b]
Ph.D., Physics, Temple Univ.
M.Div., Mount Saint Mary's Seminary
M.A. in Theology, Holy Apostles Seminary

[b]Robert Bennett [/b]
Ph.D., Physics, Stevens Tech

[b]Eric D. Bermingham[/b]
M.S.,
Aeronautical and Astronautical Eng., Univ. of Illinois

[b]Guy Berthault [/b]
Graduate Ecole Polytechnique, France

[b]Eugene Conti [/b]
Masters,
Marine Science, C.W. Post College of Long Island University
M.D., Autonomous University of Guadalajara

[b]Maciej Giertych[/b]
M.A., Oxford Univ., Forestry
Ph.D., Univ. of Toronto,
Tree Physiology
Dr. habil(~DSc), Poznan Agricultural Acad, Tree genetics

[b]Fr. George Kosicki, C.S.B [/b]
Ph.D., Biochemistry

[b]Hugh R. Miller [/b]
Senior chemist, Columbus Radio Assay Laboratory
OSU graduate courses:
Nuclear physics, Radiochemistry,
Spectroscopic analysis,
Electrochemical/ radioactivation analysis research

[b]Edward A. Razz[/b]
Senior Engineer, Lockheed Martin Corporation
M.S.,
Mechanical Engineering,
Union College

[b]Richard J. Neves [/b]
B.S., Zoology University of Rhode Island (1968)
M.S., Zoology University of Maine (1973)
Ph.D., Fisheries University of Massachusetts (1977)

[b]Thomas P. Schuman [/b]
M.S., Chemistry
Ph.D., Materials Science,
Univ. of Alabama in Huntsville

[b]Josef Seifert [/b]
Ph.D., Dr. phil., Univ. of Salzburg
Habilitation,
Dr. Phil. habil.,
Univ. of Munich

[b]Joseph Strada [/b]
Ph.D.,
Aerospace Engineering

[b]Michael Zaccaria [/b]
M.S., Mechanical Engineering
M.S., Materials Engineering
Ph.D., Aerospace Engineering
M.S., Computer Science

[popestpiusx]

This site is a good place to start:
[url="http://www.kolbecenter.org/"]http://www.kolbecenter.org/[/url]

[cathqat]

[quote name='Joseph' date='Jan 14 2005, 01:58 AM'] As a biologist, I have to say evolution is an excellent theory. Whether God decided to create everything in a way like evolution or to create everything within 6 days, I'm not sure. I dont think about it too much, since what is important is understanding that everything was created by God, not how He did it. [/quote]
I couldn't agree more.

[Sojourner]

My dad has been a literal 7-dayer for as long as I can remember, and he's pretty vociferous in his defense of it.

Now that I'm a little older, I realize that his need for scientific evidence to prove creationism came from a need for an outside authentication of the Bible ... to many evangelicals, evolution is a threat because they see is at a direct attack on the authenticity of the Bible, and therefore as a direct attack on their faith.

As a Catholic, I feel a great deal more freedom to explore alternatives without fearing for the foundations of my faith. At this point, I'm in agreement with Joseph and cathqat ... God could have done it however he saw fit, and I don't think about it too much one way or another.

[bookwyrm]

[quote name='Joseph' date='Jan 14 2005, 02:58 AM'] The funny thing is that studying science has helped strengthen my faith in God. [/quote]
Likewise. But what's so funny about that? It makes perfect sense to me.

Edited January 14, 2005 by bookwyrm

[Snarf]

Sorry, but I kind of laughed at that list of creationists.

[FilmGuy127]

ok, its agreed that it doesnt really make a diffrence wether or not it was 7 days or millions of years... i can go with that...

the question, or rather thought, that springs to my mind now is that either way... there was a creation of the fossil record of the earth... we know there are dinos buried down there... so... if it was 7days were they put there in that state?

...kinda like in hitchhikers guide...

and either way... what was/is the point of the dinos...

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Snarf' date='Jan 14 2005, 06:56 PM'] Sorry, but I kind of laughed at that list of creationists. [/quote]
What's funny about it? Just curious.

I bet it would be very interesting to hear those guys takes on things, I'm sure they know a lot.

[Joseph]

Both "theories" could be right. God could have made everything develop through an evolutionary process of some sort within 6 days, and make it appear like it was billions of years to us. I mean, He is God.

Filmguy, you bring up interesting questions I wish I knew the answers to. Perhaps a long time from now God will enlighten us on how and why He created everything the way He did.