Psychic Encounter

[jbliss145]

St. Padre Pio and St. Faustina both speak of being visited by some souls in pergatory asking for prayers.

Dear Joe,

You spelled Purgatory wrong. Dummy.

Love,

Joe

[Jake Huether]

just a thought

it is impossible for the dead to communicate with us on their own.

it is impossible for us to communicate with the dead on our own.

however, with God, all things are possible.  if the dead are to communicate with us, it would have to be through God and with God, and most likely the communication would have to deal with something important in a religious point of view.

if we are to communicate with the dead, it has to be through God and with God, ie prayer to the Saints... and i guess if u just talk to a lost loved one, u must always do it through God and with God, and it must center around God or important things from the religious point of view.

at least this is how i C it. B) 

I'm not sure that is true. By our nature, spiritually speaking, we were never really meant to be "seperate". Physically, when one dies, their bodies are "seperated" from us (and from their souls). But the soul is still there "with us" so to speak. If communication with the dead was allways "through God and with God" then he could just "shut off" the com.lines between psychics. But we have free will, and the way in which God made things allows us to communicate. It is a gift from God that we are spiritual. This gift, as said many many times before, can be abused also.

Not sure if that was clear. But I don't necessarily think that communication with the dead is "with God and through God". Unless of course you mean, in the same sense that, say, Murder or any other sin, is "with God and through God". Not saying that communication with the dead is necessarily a sin, but we are expressly forbiden by the Word of God to not soothsay or divinate, etc. It is just a part of how God made us. Like free will and the ability for us to choose to sin.

The communication lines are not switched on and off by God. When He created the heavens and the earth (and when Adam and Eve sinned, thus causing there to be death), I think God switched it on, and there is no "off" for what God deams good (that is, when it is used for the purpose it was made). So the lines are always open. But it is in our hands to use it for good, like intercession. :)

[Aloysius]

okay, maybe i phrased it wrong.

not we CANT communicate with the dead without God

but we SHOULDNT

we SHOULD only communicate with the saints with God and through God

we SHOULD not communicate with the dead by any other means, for this is expressly forbidden by the Word of God, the Holy Catholic Church, and Sacred Tradition.

is that right? B)

[Azriel]

Ok I gots a question.

Both my grandparents and my Godson has passed away. I talk to them all the time. I let them know what is going on with me, and have told them extensively about my lil miracle coming.

Is that communicating with the dead? Is that forbidden? I'm not asking them for anything, just conversating the same way I did when I could see them physically.

[cmotherofpirl]

I talk to my mom and grandma.

Remember only their bodies are dead, souls are forever.

[ICTHUS]

Do not let your life pass before it is too late; focus on saving your soul to the exclusion of all other things, lest you find yourself forever in the eternal fires after your judgment. O, my Jesus, forgive us our sins! Save us from the fires of Hell!

"focus on saving your soul"

I'm sorry, but it is JESUS CHRIST who is the saviour of my soul, not myself. Apart from Him, and His mercy and Grace, I would have no hope of salvation at all!!!

[Aloysius]

those two are alright id say^

but if i were u i'd try 2 think of God while u do this

i think u should always keep God in your thoughts and heart while doing this because we don't know the fait of anyone's soul but the saints.. so if they're in hell <HOPEFULLY NOT!> then even if ur venturing into the valley of Death you've no need to fear evil, for the Lord is with you.

B) Psalm 23 paraphrase

[Azriel]

Ok, you 2, are you speaking to me, because if you are I don't get it.

No one said I didn't keep God in my heart. Of course I do. But I miss my grandparents, and since I have ever reason to believe that neither went to hell I also believe they can hear me.

[cmotherofpirl]

what AZ said.

[Anna]

I don't bother telling my deceased mom and sister stuff that's going on in my life, cuz they already know it!

I do ask their intercession, and I also pray for them. I believe God permits them to show us that we're in their prayers...like with the brick.

Regarding Jon Edwards' "faith," I once heard him speaking of his upbringing. He didn't speak as a devout Catholic. Though, they were Catholic, and he went to church for his First Holy Communion and such. He said his mom and family members held seances and psychic parties the way other moms would hold tupperware parties. It was at one of those events that he discovered his hidden "powers" to communicate with the dead.

It may be that he will leave this nonsense behind and take his Catholic Faith seriously. But we cannot condone his summoning the deceased just because he claims to pray the rosary. I've heard of lots of girls praying their rosaries in the abortion mill waiting room...doesn't make it right, though. God will not be mocked. And neither will His Mom.

Pax Christi. <><

[foundsheep]

If I remember correctly didnt catholic Digest do an article on him? Ill see if I can find it.

[musturde]

What I am about to post may sound rude and if it does I'm sorry...

If it freaks u out...sorry...

If your mom went then ur a deep dooo dooo. I know you can use something in the Gospels to try to prove what I am about to say wrong but they never go against it in the Gospels (you'll understand once you read the rest of my post).

If you have demons upon you they will be passed down so you will not be the only one affected. If your mom goes to the psychic it will only open "portals" for the demons into your lives! There is a book that was recommended by an excorcist written by a french monk ( I think). The prayers in it are approved by the church and one of the prayers approves of what I just said! If you want, I will give you the name of the book. I will pray for you. If you don't believe me, that's okay but I'm telling you this stuff isn't made up!

Edited October 26, 2003 by musturde

[cmotherofpirl]

Can Dead People Communicate with Us?

10/30/03

Dear Catholic Exchange,

Can a person who has died return to earth either to bother someone or to give messages?

Thanks,

Luiz

Dear Luiz,

Greetings in Christ. The Church teaches that a saintly person who has died can communicate with the faithful. This is part of the Church’s teaching regarding the Communion of Saints, as our FAITH FACT on the subject details.

Human persons who have died are, with the exception of the Blessed Mother, disembodied “spirits.” The term “ghost” comes from the German word for “spirit”: “geist.” Fr. John Hardon, S.J., addresses God’s use of ghosts:

Christianity believes that God may, and sometimes does, permit a departed soul to appear in some visible form to people on earth. Allowing for legend and illusion, there is enough authentic evidence, for example, in the lives of the saints, to indicate that such apparitions occur. Their purpose may be to teach or warn, or request some favor of the living (Modern Catholic Dictionary, Garden City, New York, Doubleday and Co., 1980, p. 229).

In short, God may send ghosts to us for our good. It is conceivable that a person who has died could go to hell and return to harass someone as an evil spirit. If one believes such is taking place, one should seek the counsel of a good priest. There may also be the case of a spirit who seems not to be evil, but rather unsettled and continues to cause a disturbance in a home or other locale. The best thing to do in such a case is to pray for that soul and to have the home, office, or other locale blessed.

In summary, the Church recognizes that those who have died continue to live spiritually and can make contact with those on earth. Those on earth should not, however, seek to make contact with those who have died through seances and forms of spiritism (cf. Catechism, nos. 2115-17). Yet, spiritism should not be confused with the laudable practice of praying to the faithful departed, e.g., saints. If one is concerned that a spirit is making its presence felt in an unwelcome manner, the counsel of a good priest should be sought and, at the very least, the house can be blessed and other prayers offered.

If you have further questions on this or would like more information about Catholics United for the Faith, please contact us at 1-800-MY-FAITH (693-2484). Please keep us in your prayers as we endeavor to “support, defend, and advance the efforts of the teaching Church.”

United in the Faith,

Thomas J. Nash

Senior Information Specialist

Catholics United for the Faith

827 North Fourth Street

Steubenville, OH 43952

800-MY-FAITH (800-693-2484)

[Anna]

But here's the difference:

God sends souls to us as HE sees fit.

Sometimes WE decide to take matters into our own hands, for our emotional needs, or what-have-you, and attempt to SUMMON the dead.

God may certainly send souls to communicate with us according to HIS Will.

But HIS will, not ours, be done.

We have no business attempting to bring back the deceased.

Musturde, your resources would be greatly appreciated.

This is also covered in the CCC!!!

[Azriel]

Ok, so here's the point of contention. Many folks would say that those with psychic ability do not "summon" the dead, but rather the "dead" come to them.

And, I still talk to my grandparents. I don't think that means I'm summoning them. I just dig telling them what's going on, even if they already know.