EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Avoiding martyrdom by rejecting the Truth is a sin. Truth is not relative to individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote name='thedude' date='Jan 12 2005, 04:31 PM'] Avoiding martyrdom by rejecting the Truth is a sin. Truth is not relative to individuals. [/quote] SEEKING DEATH. IE: Going to a place where you know ull be killed for speaking the bible, is not marytrdom, its suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote]Seeking Marytrdom is a sin.[/quote] So is refusing to accept it. Moreover, so is choosing temporal life over eternal life [quote]The Church has done a good job of that itself, dont forget that. If it wasnt for the Church, there wouldnt be Orthodoxy, the Reformation, The Renaissance (which the Church hated, due its nude 'immoral' picturing of humanity).[/quote] typical [i]post hoc ergo propter hoc[/i]. This is neither a valid nor sound argument. It is like saying that health is the cause of sickness, because one was healthy before one was sick [quote]Easy to say when you know it will never happen.[/quote] Absolutely. Doesn't make it any less true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote name='FilmGuy127' date='Jan 11 2005, 10:49 PM'] So, India... with 98% of its population not catholic should have a catholic government? [/quote] Depends on what you mean by "catholic government." I do not believe a confessional state is necessary in order to have a government compatible with the Catholic faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote name='FilmGuy127' date='Jan 12 2005, 01:15 PM'] i couldnt disagree more that govenments job is to seek truth..... governments dont seek truth. [/quote] It is true that most governments do not, in fact, seek truth. But they should. Why? Because all governments are founded upon and guided by philosophical presuppositions. It is impossible to have a government without philosophical presuppositions. To govern well, it is absolutely necessary to ask whether one's philosophical presuppositions are true and whether they are good. Otherwise, the government will be bad. There is no alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 it is utterly inescapable, even a rejection of government entirely, anarchy, involves philosophical pressuppositions. There is no way out. All your base belong to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Jan 13 2005, 03:22 PM'] All your base belong to us [/quote] You have no chance to survive make your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Jan 13 2005, 02:10 AM'] SEEKING DEATH. IE: Going to a place where you know ull be killed for speaking the bible, is not marytrdom, its suicide. [/quote] It's also rejecting your duty to evangelize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote name='cathqat' date='Jan 13 2005, 03:27 PM'] You have no chance to survive make your time. [/quote] o gosh, I dont even know if the banana guy is able to adequately celebrate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote name='thedude' date='Jan 13 2005, 04:03 PM'] It's also rejecting your duty to evangelize. [/quote] Then thats a stupid set of laws, your screwed if you do, screwed if you dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 If by "screwed" you mean going to heaven, then yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Jan 13 2005, 10:55 PM'] If by "screwed" you mean going to heaven, then yes [/quote] That's what I'm getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='FilmGuy127' date='Jan 11 2005, 07:17 PM'] when you walk into that senate chamber you are the represenative of everyone from your state... people who believe the same as you and people who believe diffrently... how else can you serve these people without a certain amount of seperation of your personal beliefs. [/quote] Your first error is in thinking that the Senators represent everyone in their state. Senators represent the State qua state. Until recently the populace had not vote in choosing a senator. They were elected by state legislators. Tragically, that has changed and with it the disticntion between congressman and senator was abolished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 [quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Jan 13 2005, 02:10 AM'] SEEKING DEATH. IE: Going to a place where you know ull be killed for speaking the bible, is not marytrdom, its suicide. [/quote] This statement is foolish and rash and therefore not worth arguing against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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