Archangel Raphael Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Well, been a while since I posted here, hi all lol. I just thought maybe I'd go ahead and do my best to answer a couple questions you had there, Catalyst. 1) Prayer to the Saints - It's very right to say they are very much alive, and living with Christ in His Heavenly Kingdom. The way I look at it is, if they are very much alive, why WOULDN'T you ask them to keep you in prayer for certain things? lol Think about it, they are in perfect mind and are in perfect union with Christ. I look at it the same way as if you're asking a friend to keep you in prayer. I don't do it often, but sometimes I'll pray to Mary and ask her to keep me in prayer for certain things, and to remember me in them. Only difference in asking someone on earth to pray for you compared to someone you know who's in heaven, is the person in heaven won't forget to pray for you hehe. 2) Mary being Sinless - I believe too God had to give her a special grace to raise Jesus. Think about it, I don't think it would be very easy for any mother to raise a sinless son, which happens to be THE Son. I wanna read up about it though in what the Catechism says, I don't know too much about it at the time. Also another point is, I think we tend to limit God too much. He can do ANYTHING, so ya.. And to go on note, Catalyst. Any conclusions I come up with has been from my personal own research and first-hand information. I've been all over in the Christian Churches, including in several denominations of the Protestant realm, and I recently dedicated myself to being a charasmastic Catholic. And the only reason I am that right now is not cause of what anyone said, but because of me reading the Bible and Catachism for MYSELF, and MOST importantly, listening to what the Holy Spirit had to say in all of it. I don't wanna rant, but just wanted to give you a little background on me so you know where I'm coming from, and not just some guy flinging out stuff others have told me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 20, 2005 Author Share Posted January 20, 2005 (edited) when you read the bible, think of death as disconnection with God and alive, connected to God. What Christ did was re establish a relationship with God. Before this it was simply the law that tied man and God together. Think about death and life as having a relationship with God and not. Thats what God mean when He told adam not to eat the fruit or He will surely die. Meditate on what Yeshua did on the cross....I know every thing you said, I still stand strong against catholic beliefs and spare rituals. Think about what alive in Christ really means.... Edited January 20, 2005 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 20, 2005 Author Share Posted January 20, 2005 (edited) ahh yeah, I do read the catechism myself. Right off the vaticans home page its self. Ive brought up some hearsay, but thats just because I was curious to know the facts, no forget facts, the truth, because wordly facts and truth seem to have a difference of opinion and thats made evident here. Edited January 20, 2005 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 20, 2005 Share Posted January 20, 2005 There is only One Truth in the world and that is God Almighty. Facts are simply smaller details of the truth, so there cannot be any ultimate disagreement between them. Science does not have a different truth than religion, both have their source in God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 20, 2005 Author Share Posted January 20, 2005 so you believe in evolution? physical change to adapt to environments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 20, 2005 Author Share Posted January 20, 2005 (edited) but this is minor to the point I was making about death and than life in Christ and what it really is according to scripture. Science and God don't go hand in hand, because science today says God doesn't exist. Its why secularism seems to rule these days. Edited January 20, 2005 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 20, 2005 Author Share Posted January 20, 2005 (edited) what you say is true, that theres one truth, one way and one life. So coversate and we'll find out what Jehova- our Father expects from us and what He forbids. ON the contrary Rapheal, it was probably ez to raise a perfect son, you don't have to discipline Him, Hes obediant, Hes is everything He asked of us. Its is because Jesus was born of God, not totally of flesh that is why He was born with out sin. Born to a man and woman, your born into sin. What happened to Jesus happened according to Gods law. God doesnt change, He always remains the same. Edited January 20, 2005 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianny01 Posted January 22, 2005 Share Posted January 22, 2005 [quote]Science and God don't go hand in hand, because science today says God doesn't exist.[/quote] At its deepest levels, science and faith do not contradict one another. Both are instruments toward finding the truth. They compliment each other. Sincerely, Ianny01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 23, 2005 Author Share Posted January 23, 2005 (edited) not true because scientists when it comes to core issues such as creation can only go by hypothesis and theory. However, we have Gods promises and bear witness to His power everyday. I'll take a promise over an unproven theory such as evolution any day. So yeah, at their deepest levels they do contradict each other. This isn't about science. This is about what happened at that cross. Edited January 23, 2005 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 23, 2005 Author Share Posted January 23, 2005 [url="http://www.jdm.org/media/archives.htm"]http://www.jdm.org/media/archives.htm[/url] check out the ministry, why did jesus come part one. Some interesting things regarding the catholic church are mentioned about 3/4 of the way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangel Posted January 23, 2005 Share Posted January 23, 2005 Nice post, Archangel Raphael. Lots of good stuff in the Reference section about the Blessed Virgin Mary to help you understand her role in salvation history. [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=5421"]http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=5421[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 reply to what I said, or can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 22 2005, 11:16 PM'] not true because scientists when it comes to core issues such as creation can only go by hypothesis and theory. However, we have Gods promises and bear witness to His power everyday. I'll take a promise over an unproven theory such as evolution any day. So yeah, at their deepest levels they do contradict each other. This isn't about science. This is about what happened at that cross. [/quote] Science only contradicts with religion if you read the bible literally - something you shouldn't be doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 okay...how should i read it than...a few examples would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 (edited) Jesus said: "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking"(Matt. 6:7). this goes towards praying the rosary awsell, which by the way has a dead Christ hanging on the cross. Hes not dead. Acts 20:28-31 (New International Version) 28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears. the roman catholic church perhaps? sounds pretty literal to me... 1 Timothy 4 Instructions to Timothy 1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. 6If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed. 7Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. 8For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come. 9This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance 10(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe. Hmm, interesting...think about this according to your own beliefs. "This is a TRUE saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife . . . one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection" (I Timothy 3:1-4). Edited January 24, 2005 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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