Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 No Other Gospel 6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel– 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! 10Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. this is why I can't accept the teachings of the catholic church because they don't match up with scripture..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 (edited) remember Gods grace is His willingness to be involved in our lives even tho we do not deserve it "if even we or angel" this is serious....goes for islam too... if you where to imitate Paul or Peter you have complete focus on Christ. Think about when Peter stepped out of the boat to meet Christ on the water. When he took his focus off Christ, his eyes off of Christ he began to sink. What do you think giving praise does to saints does. It takes your focus off of Christ. How can you serve two masters? Its either God or someone else at the source. Edited January 12, 2005 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 12 2005, 12:21 AM'] rant on? easy fellah, but I'm asking how you get that revelation from hebrews 13:7? how meek does someone have to be in here to get answers? [/quote] I'm not a fellah. I didn't bring up hebrews. However, I can say that remembrance is a tricky thing. People lay flowers on the graves of their dearly departed. They carry photos of people to remember them. In many ways this is the same as the praise of the saints. I would call it honoring rather than praising. Why is it wrong to do for the saints what we do for our war heroes, presidents, and loved ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 12 2005, 12:24 AM'] No Other Gospel 6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel– 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! 10Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. this is why I can't accept the teachings of the catholic church because they don't match up with scripture..... [/quote] Ummm. The Church follows the gospel of Jesus Christ. Furthermore, it WROTE the gospel of Jesus Christ. And it holds within it traditions that were left out of the sacred scripture as it was formed in the 4th century. No true student of History could possibly be a protestant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 your pray to them do you not? prayer is a form of worship, praise is a form of worship. I don't talk to my grandfather wherever they are at...did you know the catholic church charged people to lesson a relitives life spent in purgatory. The catholic church didn't even want the bible to be translated out of latin. Alot of masses are spoken in latin to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 12 2005, 12:33 AM'] your pray to them do you not? prayer is a form of worship, praise is a form of worship. I don't talk to my grandfather wherever they are at...did you know the catholic church charged people to lesson a relitives life spent in purgatory. The catholic church didn't even want the bible to be translated out of latin. Alot of masses are spoken in latin to this day. [/quote] LOL. Okay a bunch of nonsensical propaganda spews forth. First off, indulgences really aren't anything like what you just said they are. Seriously look it up before spouting off. Secondly, to pray means to ask. So yes, we ask the saints to intercede with God for us? Why? Because they're living with God right now. Because when I'm in class and have to take notes there can be people praying for me. That's why. As far as translating the bible is concerned, the Church had no problem with allowing the laity access to it. They merely had a problem with the laity interpreting it any way they wanted. That's why there are a billion protestant denominations. If any idiot can make an analysis of the text then everybody will have his or her own unique ideas. And all but one of those ideas will be wrong. That's why there needs to be a hierarchy. And that's why Jesus made Peter the rock on which he built his Church. And that's why the pope is scriptural. And so what about the Latin mass? I like the Latin mass. They give you missals with facing page translations. It is simply a style of worship, it wasn't intended to keep people confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 (edited) After the apostles the church bagan to fall apart as alot of places, even in new testament, you can read had been influenced by pagan beliefs. The gospel had been writtin in Christs church, where Christ is the head...not no pope, Christ is the only mediator between God in man Edited January 12, 2005 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 ever heard of constantine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 12 2005, 12:38 AM'] After the apostles the church bagan to fall apart as alot of places, even in new testament, you can read had been influenced by pagan beliefs. The gospel had been writtin in Christs church, where Christ is the head...not no pope, Christ is the only mediator between God in man [/quote] The last of the Gospels was written 100 years after the death of Christ. You can't claim Christ wrote it or that some mythical proto-catholic church wrote it. That's just made up stuff because the protestants didn't want to admit the truth - that they're narrow-minded iconoclasts. You know the conversions to protestantism only happened because the nobility wanted to steal Catholic church lands right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 12 2005, 12:41 AM'] ever heard of constantine? [/quote] Are you going to say he was a protestant? Constantine converted the whole Roman empire and then encouraged his Mother to find RELICS of the true cross for people to venerate! OMG!! :gasp: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 obee jehobee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianny01 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 When Scripture is taken as a whole and put into proper context, there is no contradiction between Church doctrine and Scripture. Sincerely, Ianny01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eucharistaholic Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 12 2005, 12:33 AM']The catholic church didn't even want the bible to be translated out of latin. Alot of masses are spoken in latin to this day.[/quote] Catalyst, I will have to jump in here. Did you know that the Catholic church was translating the Bible into the vernacular in the middle ages? Also big news here, the KJV is not the first Bible in English, contrary to popular (among protestants) belief. And the fact that masses are still performed in Latin, what is your point? A whole lot more are spoken in the vernacular. You should check your facts before you spout out lies. Peace, E-aholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Latin WAS the vernacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 12 2005, 02:24 AM'] this is why I can't accept the teachings of the catholic church because they don't match up with scripture..... [/quote] The only reason you have Scripture is because of the Catholic Church. The bible is a Catholic book, so obviously there is nothing in it that disagrees with the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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