Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 (edited) right, think on the dead, meditate on death, you gain wisdom from death and thinkin on the lives of those past. Read ecclesiastes. Offer prayer and praise them tho??? I dunno, only God is pefect and Holy and worthy of praise from what Ive read Edited January 12, 2005 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 So you disagree with Scripture. It's your funeral... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 in imitating their faith, did paul pray to elijah, noah? no explain how its my funeral, and where in that verse does it say anything about offering prayer and praise. Worshipping MAN???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 11 2005, 10:56 PM'] in imitating their faith, did paul pray to elijah, noah? no explain how its my funeral, and where in that verse does it say anything about offering prayer and praise. Worshipping MAN???? [/quote] Why bother. Your ears are closed, your eyes are lidded, your heart is hardened, you won't listen anyway. You still haven't responded to Hebrews 13:7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 right, think on the dead, meditate on death, you gain wisdom from death and thinkin on the lives of those past. Read ecclesiastes. Offer prayer and praise them tho??? I dunno, only God is pefect and Holy and worthy of praise from what Ive read that was my response regarding imitating there faith..where in there does it say pray to the saints? I ask, who are you to make that judgement when I'm clearly interested in what you believe and why you believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Remeber, imitate. That's not worship. Alive in Chirst. That's not dead. Paul is dead. Peter is dead. Abraham is dead, etc., etc. What does being dead on Earth have to do with anything? Unless you beleive once you die on earth, that's it. Your dead and non-existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 (edited) seems to have alot to do with Gods opinion in deuteronomy Edited January 12, 2005 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 11 2005, 11:32 PM'] seems to have alot to do with Gods opinion in deuteronomy [/quote] So I assume you keep kosher then? When was the last time you sacrificed a bull to God for the sins you've committed? Seems to me you care about the letter of God's words in the old testament a lot when it suits you and not at all when it would show you a hypocrite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 (edited) ... Edited January 12, 2005 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 (edited) i ask where in hebrews does it say to praise those past. I see imitate their faith but when, where, and how does that interpret into praise and prayer I ask? Remember those...how does remembrance have anything to do with praise? Yes remember the dead, and regarding your old testiment views, Yeshua's teachings where based on old covenant principles such as the 10 commandments... certianly prophesies where fullfilled that had to be so God could reconcile His relationship with us, but His promises and words remain true. Alot of the old testiment is even further magnified by what Christ did. Edited January 12, 2005 by Catalyst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 12 2005, 12:09 AM'] i ask where in hebrews does it say to praise those past. I see imitate their faith but when, where, and how does that interpret into praise and prayer I ask? Remember those...how does remembrance have anything to do with praise? Yes remember the dead, and regarding your old testiment views, Yeshua's teachings where based on old law principles such as the 10 commandments... [/quote] I think a better question would be why you choose to rely on a sola scriptura basis for Christianity when scriptures as we now know them didn't exist till the 4th century - well after the Catholic church had been founded. So technically, the Catholic church wrote your bible that you're then trying to employ against it. Seems kinda nonsensical to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 12 2005, 12:10 AM'] i ask where in hebrews does it say to praise those past. I see imitate their faith but when, where, and how does that interpret into praise and prayer I ask? Remember those...how does remembrance have anything to do with praise? Yes remember the dead, and regarding your old testiment views, Yeshua's teachings where based on old covenant principles such as the 10 commandments... certianly prophesies where fullfilled that had to be so God could reconcile His relationship with us, but His promises and words remain true. Alot of the old testiment is even further magnified by what Christ did. [/quote] So you're saying some stuff was fulfilled and some stuff wasn't. And miracle of miracles, the stuff that was fulfilled is the stuff you don't worry about and the stuff that was enhanced is the stuff you rant about. Hmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 people are harsh with quick judgements on this site...hypocryte? no, i like the big picture and don't like to base a whole doctrine on one sentance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 12 2005, 12:17 AM'] people are harsh with quick judgements on this site...hypocryte? no, i like the big picture and don't like to base a whole doctrine on one sentance. [/quote] If you like the big picture then why do you choose to ignore Church teachings and writings outside of the sacred scriptures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 rant on? easy fellah, but I'm asking how you get that revelation from hebrews 13:7? how meek does someone have to be in here to get answers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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