Planned Parenthood

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='littleflower' date='JMJ+Jan 11 2005, 11:56 AM'] yes, you do--i recall a thread or two about you [/quote]
me too

[myduwigd]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 9 2005, 08:19 PM'] They are evil people doing evil actions and getting paid for it and encouraging others to evil as well.
May they recieve as much mercy as they have shown to the babies they chop up. [/quote]
that sounds like a word curse to me.

we need God's mercy, not his wrath. If GOd sent down HIs mercy on these people, hopefully tehy would start trying to undo what they have done, which would be a lot better than getting what they deserve. Im glad that i aint getting what i deserve,

[rufiokicks]

[quote name='MilesChristi' date='Jan 9 2005, 08:09 PM']Planned Parenthood, formerly known as the American Birth Control League, was founded by Margaret Sanger, a racist supporter of eugenics. Judging by her writings, she hoped that her organization would lead to the extermination of blacks, Catholics, the mentally disabled, and the impoverished. Her hope for America was a future in which the people she considered "undesirable" would be forcibly sterilized so eventually their kind would be eliminated. Sounds like a page right out of the Nazi strategy. [/quote]
I know I'm quoting this like, 5 pages later and somebody's probably already pointed this out, but Margaret Zanger was quoted multiple times in Hitler's Mine Kemph. (sp?) Planned Parenthood does offer good services too such as pregnancy and std testing. (Even if you're keeping the child you still need to know if you're having it, right?) Many of the offices also serve as the only doctors office in the area. I'm not saying PP is good, but not everything it offers is evil either.

[Socrates]

[quote name='rufiokicks' date='Jan 11 2005, 04:45 PM'] I know I'm quoting this like, 5 pages later and somebody's probably already pointed this out, but Margaret Zanger was quoted multiple times in Hitler's Mine Kemph. (sp?) Planned Parenthood does offer good services too such as pregnancy and std testing. (Even if you're keeping the child you still need to know if you're having it, right?) Many of the offices also serve as the only doctors office in the area. I'm not saying PP is good, but not everything it offers is evil either. [/quote]
Same thing could be said of the Nazi party (or any evil organization).

[Q the Ninja]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jan 11 2005, 08:27 AM'] The debate has far reaching consequesnces. I would not be so quick to dismiss its significance and importance. One must be able to deal with the situation of how the existence of evil can be reconciled with the infinite goodness of God. It is not as easy as you may think, especially if the athiest or agnostic is philisophically or scientifically inclined. It is a common argument. [/quote]
I agree. I still wanna hear why so many people find people evil in here. I thought we had more Scholastic thinkers here. Oh well.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Q the Ninja' date='Jan 11 2005, 06:34 PM'] I agree. I still wanna hear why so many people find people evil in here. I thought we had more Scholastic thinkers here. Oh well. [/quote]
This thread is about whether a particular orginization (Planned Parenthood) is evil.
You want to make this a technical philosophical debate about whether anything can be evil.
Since by your definitions, it seems that nothing can be evil, then what is the point of arguing this?
Evil organizations are those whose acts are evil. This is understood by just about everybody. When we call a person evil, we mean his will is evil, not his created essence.

NO offense, but your philosophical quibbling comes off as rather silly.
A debate over the philosophical definition of evil has its place, but in a debate about the evil of a particular organization, to claim that nothing is evil is just confusing and distracting.

A good Thomist would say here that Planned Parenthood is evil (it is understood what evil means, and that this is not referring to the created essence of the individuals making up PP.)

[Q the Ninja]

Did you see why I want to argue this?

Everyone seems so intent on calling Planned Parenthood evil; they want to include the doctors. I just don't like to give in so easily. I guess I should just stop here.

[rufiokicks]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Jan 11 2005, 05:58 PM'] Same thing could be said of the Nazi party (or any evil organization). [/quote]
The Nazi Party didn't do anything else though. You're comparing a doctor's office to a group of people. Your comparison doesn't really jive if you ask me.

[littleflower+JMJ]

sadly anyone who walks planned parenthood office to get checked by their team of physicians will be pressured, very badly to, to have an abortion, etc. and pass out false information, many times flat out lying to you..... thus victimizing many.

there has even been research coming up of young girls who go there for their "services" who are being sexually assaulted and medically harmed...

there is no good in that......the services, such as pregnancy tests, etc, can be done at any doctor's office, not theirs.

[Q the Ninja]

There seems to be little good to come out of Planned Parenthood (if any). I think we all agree on that.

[littleflower+JMJ]

lets us not forget what planned parent hood is all about, why it was created and still is today, a movement of genocide

active, thriving, organized and legal.

[Socrates]

[quote name='rufiokicks' date='Jan 11 2005, 07:21 PM'] The Nazi Party didn't do anything else though. You're comparing a doctor's office to a group of people. Your comparison doesn't really jive if you ask me. [/quote]
My comparison does jive, I think. All I'm saying is that every evil organization does some things which are not objectively evil, and might be seen as good. This does not redeem them or keep them from being evil, since their major goals and actions are evil.

Offering free pregnancy tests (which they offer so they can know whether they can "provide" an abortion!) and other things does not redeem this pro-death pro-abortion organization at all in my view.

In my comparison, the Nazis did all sorts of things which they could promote as good, to "help" the German people - rebuilding the German economy, providing jobs, restoring national pride, restoring a gravely weakened military, sponsoring cultural events, etc. They probably did more "good" than PP.
All this does not excuse the evil of the Jewish holocaust.

[Dreamweaver]

The whole foundation of Margaret Sanger's birth control league (later PP) is pure evil: to treat parenthood as a priveledge that one must earn. One must be of the correct socio-economic and racial background. Even by looking at today's rates of abortion among racial groups, there is a huge disparity between whites and blacks. I'm not sure of the cause, but are blacks somehow pressed by society that they can't keep their kids (through poverty or lack of support?).

Places like PP only perpetuate the myth that noone will help a young mother support a child or get the help she needs. Instead, they seek the easy way out, to simply kill it and forget it and have the women move on with their lives as if nothing went on.

Sure, the clinics may offer non-evil (even positive) services, such as STD testing or pregnancy tests, but one must look at WHY they offer such services. With STDs, they see it as an opportunity to discuss the necessity of using condoms. Would they ever discuss abstinence or being faithful as a way to curb the spread of STDs? If you were a single mother who tested positive at a PP clinic to pregnancy, do you think they'd offer you a list of referrals for help and adoption services? They don't make any money by referring people to an adoption agency.

[Q the Ninja]

By the way, I know of some great, possibly saintly, Nazis.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

What out there Q, or you'll be labelled a monster!

Better start posting some people with back up....