Q the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 9 2005, 09:52 PM'] Planned Parenthood is not a person, it is simply a "corporation," a legal fiction, and as such it most certainly can be evil, for it originates from the disordered wills of those who founded and maintain it. God bless, Todd [/quote] I think of Planned Parenthood as made up of the people, and as such, I don't think it's evil in that sense. I'm not saying it's good, but I have a hard time separating Planned Parenthood and the people involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Q the Ninja' date='Jan 9 2005, 08:57 PM'] I think of Planned Parenthood as made up of the people, and as such, I don't think it's evil in that sense. I'm not saying it's good, but I have a hard time separating Planned Parenthood and the people involved. [/quote] If a group of people found the Church of Satan, would you say that the Church of Satan, and all of its activities, are good, simply because the persons who founded it, in so far as they exist, are good? Such a position is nonsensical, most certainly the Church of Satan is evil; so too, Planned Parenthood as an organization founded by human beings upon principles repugnant to the moral order is evil. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I agree with the principles and the actions being evil, I won't argue that. However, do we define something just by the ideology and the actions? I always thought that the people/matter are important too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp2_rules Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 9 2005, 08:19 PM'] They are evil people doing evil actions and getting paid for it and encouraging others to evil as well. May they recieve as much mercy as they have shown to the babies they chop up. [/quote] i agree completely that it is evil, and it makes me wanna cry what they do to poor innocent babies! but, the mercy thing isn't really our choice, and i'd just assume leave that to the Big Boss upstairs. we can pray for justice, perhaps, but you seem to be praying for their damnation, which i don't agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Q the Ninja' date='Jan 9 2005, 09:05 PM'] I agree with the principles and the actions being evil, I won't argue that. However, do we define something just by the ideology and the actions? I always thought that the people/matter are important too. [/quote] You are confusing Planned Parenthood with a person, but it is not a person, instead it is simply a legal fiction. Moreover, although it is true that evil is a privation of the good and as such has no essence; that does not mean that it has no existence. Moral evil receives existence from the disordered will of man. Thus, Planned Parenthood, which comes into existence through the actions of many individuals, is itself an existing evil, and as such it is totally repugnant to God and should be legally suppressed. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jan 9 2005, 08:15 PM'] woah. littleflower, you've got a hoppin' mad side to you too. [/quote] believe it or not, it takes alot to make me mad -_- im no friend/fan of pp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 9 2005, 11:00 PM'] If a group of people found the Church of Satan, would you say that the Church of Satan, and all of its activities, are good, simply because the persons who founded it, in so far as they exist, are good? Such a position is nonsensical, most certainly the Church of Satan is evil; so too, Planned Parenthood as an organization founded by human beings upon principles repugnant to the moral order is evil. God bless, Todd [/quote] there are many simliarities between the one above and abortion.... *shudders* so true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Look, whether or not the PP corporation is made of up of supposedly good people doing evil things, or is just an evil thing in and of itself is kinda irrelavent. The products and services of Planned Parenthood are unadulterated, 100% pure Grade A EVIL. Period. To argue that "good" mis-guided people work there is hogwash. Baulderdash. Deep down those "good" people know it's wrong. Deep, deep in their souls. They just don't want to admit it. Anyone or any company that sells, SELLS apparel - t-shirts and the like - with "I GOT AN ABORTION" emblazoned on them is not only sick, and twisted but financially brillant - after all, they've assaulted not just one human being, but potentially at least three (mother, father, unborn child and possibly more in the cases of twins), and then rather than just give away a souvenir of their time together at the clinic, they SELL them a t-shirt proudly announcing their fabulous "lifestyle choice". Brilliant! Planned Parenthood's founder was evil, their premise is evil, their works are evil, the people who work there, while possibly redeemable, condone and continue the evil - in the end we shall call the duck a duck - PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS EVIL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Jan 9 2005, 11:35 PM'] PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS EVIL. [/quote] I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [b]P[/b]ee[b]P[/b]ee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 PP= :pitchfork: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 9 2005, 06:43 PM'] The members of Planned Parenthood may or may not seek the good, I say that because I'm not a Scholastic, and so I don't hold that everyone is always trying to do the good. That being said, I cannot judge whether any individual member of Planned Parenthood is well intentioned or not, only God can know that; I am required to judge their outward actions in order to determine their moral character, i.e., to see if they coincide with the natural moral law, and if they do not, I must not participate in what they do, and depending upon the case, I must oppose what their actions. But regardless, the ideological worldview espoused by the members of Planned Parenthood is evil. God bless, Todd [/quote] There seems to be a general misunderstanding of Thomim/Scholasticism on both parties here! The Scholastic position that evil is the seeking of a lesser good over a higher due good is not a denial of evil. Rather, it is a philosophical explanation of how evil is possible. Scholastics/Thomists are not a bunch of Pollyannas running around saying nobody and nothing is evil. Q the Ninja - You're using technical philosophical language which is spreading confusion. Thomistic philosophy teaches that no created thing is evil in its essence. If a person is commited to evil actions, though, he is regarded in plain language as an evil person. An organization devoted to evil acts or an evil agenda can rightly be considered evil. I think we'd all agree on this. You shouldn't use technical philosophical language to muddy up an issue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Let us not forget that Planned Parenthood's pro-abortion activists are really just as deserving of salvation as we are....like, zero deserving. I'm not justifying the chopping up of babies by any means at all. Just a reminder that charity means loving everybody, even our enemies. And Planned Parenthood is indeed an enemy to mankind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='jp2_rules' date='Jan 10 2005, 01:06 AM'] i agree completely that it is evil, and it makes me wanna cry what they do to poor innocent babies! but, the mercy thing isn't really our choice, and i'd just assume leave that to the Big Boss upstairs. we can pray for justice, perhaps, but you seem to be praying for their damnation, which i don't agree with. [/quote] God is the author of justice and mercy. I just happen to have opinons on the topic as well. But remember what Jesus said about millstones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='XIX' date='Jan 10 2005, 03:13 PM'] Let us not forget that Planned Parenthood's pro-abortion activists are really just as deserving of salvation as we are....like, zero deserving. I'm not justifying the chopping up of babies by any means at all. Just a reminder that charity means loving everybody, even our enemies. And Planned Parenthood is indeed an enemy to mankind. [/quote] Which is why I qualified my opinion with the following: [quote]Planned Parenthood's founder was evil, their premise is evil, their works are evil, the people who work there, while possibly redeemable, condone and continue the evil - [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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