Krush2k2 Posted January 12, 2005 Author Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='ironmonk' date='Jan 9 2005, 10:51 PM'] Some very good stuff reading up on that. If the Catholic Church was not the Church, then I do not believe these things would not have happened. [/quote] Exactly my point. What is there to be skeptical about the stigmata of Padre Pio? If your protestant-why would these things happen within the Catholic Church? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='Krush2k2' date='Jan 12 2005, 05:20 PM'] Exactly my point. What is there to be skeptical about the stigmata of Padre Pio? If your protestant-why would these things happen within the Catholic Church? [/quote] why do people get miraculously healed outside of it? see how that argument doesn't hold water? many religions claim legitimate 'signs and wonders.' and by legitimate i mean they're real, but that doesn't make it godly. christian science is all about healing people. pagans speak in tongues. some ancient jews were known as 'wonder workers,' performing miracles, which is a reason why some deny the deity of Christ...because the miracles that Christ performed were not extremely out of the ordinary. test the spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangel Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Do other religions scrutinize their "miracles" before declaring them miraculous? The Catholic Church, for example, has established a medical bureau at Lourdes that examines the cures to make sure they are authentic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Miracles don't happen outside of the Church (maybe in Orthodoxy, but the Orthodox aren't really outside). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 10 2005, 02:42 AM'] For crying out loud I'm NOT a boy. Do I need a pink bunny avatar or something?! [/quote] will this work? [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/phatcatholic/fbcgirls.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Krush2k2' date='Jan 9 2005, 02:00 PM'] I always ask this to those who have turned away from the church and can never seem to get a straight answer. Since you were once part of the Catholic church-how do you now view OUR LADY OF FATIMA(thousands of witnesses) AND the Stigmata of Padre Pio? It seems to me you cant argue against it and find a way to explain why that happened and the Catholic church to not be the one true church-as it is. Explain that to me [/quote] Those miracles were from the Devil - the prince of lies made them happen to lure people away from Jesus Christ. And before anyone brings up Matt 12:24, I am not speaking a word against [i]Christ[/i] healing anyone by the Holy Spirit. I am speaking a word against people who have apostasied from the Holy Gospel - apostate men and women, not Christ - performing such 'wonders'. Edited January 15, 2005 by ICTHUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krush2k2 Posted January 15, 2005 Author Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Jan 15 2005, 02:19 PM'] Those miracles were from the Devil - the prince of lies made them happen to lure people away from Jesus Christ. [/quote] Padre Pio's Stigmata converted thousands of atheists into Christians. Good job Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='Krush2k2' date='Jan 15 2005, 02:31 PM'] Padre Pio's Stigmata converted thousands of atheists into Christians. Good job Devil [/quote] Romans Catholics =/= Christians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 I can't seem to edit my post above. However, I would say that the vast majority of Roman Catholics aren't Christians. There are some thoughtful ones who actually do have a living, vibrant faith in Jesus who may be. But most probably aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Jan 15 2005, 09:35 PM'] I can't seem to edit my post above. However, I would say that the vast majority of Roman Catholics aren't Christians. There are some thoughtful ones who actually do have a living, vibrant faith in Jesus who may be. But most probably aren't. [/quote] Define a Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 (edited) [quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jan 15 2005, 02:42 PM'] Define a Christian. [/quote] One who rests in and trusts Jesus Christ alone for his salvation from sin and safekeeping to Heaven, and who affirms entirely and in their whole, the teachings that the Church has set forth in the Athanasian, Nicene, and Apostles Creeds*. *While I acknowledge that some in Christendom have n'eer even heard of these, I submit that most would, upon examination of them, assent to their teachings, and that those who would not, upon examination of the same and competent explanation of any unclear parts, are not members of the Universal Church. Edited January 15, 2005 by ICTHUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Jan 15 2005, 03:42 PM'] will this work? [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/phatcatholic/fbcgirls.jpg[/img] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 (edited) This thread needs direction. The challenge more specifically from those guys to us formers is to determine whether or not these types of miracles happen outside of the Catholic Church. We as formers should bring compiling evidence. I think I can just say that there are miracle healings outside of the Catholic Church and no one would disagree, thought I will get some proof. We as formers should get evidence of apparitions to prots. I can't think of any off hand. The stigmata I can't think of any for us either. Plus even if we found stuff, they'd just say it's so that we'll be led to the "truth". Not that I'm saying we don't even try, I think we should be able to make a case one way or another. I will look aroung for stuff. Edited January 15, 2005 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Jan 15 2005, 03:33 PM'] Romans Catholics =/= Christians [/quote] :thatsfunny: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor13 Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Jan 15 2005, 02:44 PM'] One who rests in and trusts Jesus Christ alone for his salvation from sin and safekeeping to Heaven, and who affirms entirely and in their whole, the teachings that the Church has set forth in the Athanasian, Nicene, and Apostles Creeds*. [/quote] The irony here, of course, is that it was the Catholic Church that created and upheld these Creeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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