Krush2k2 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I always ask this to those who have turned away from the church and can never seem to get a straight answer. Since you were once part of the Catholic church-how do you now view OUR LADY OF FATIMA(thousands of witnesses) AND the Stigmata of Padre Pio? It seems to me you cant argue against it and find a way to explain why that happened and the Catholic church to not be the one true church-as it is. Explain that to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mulls Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 i don't see the logic that these 'miracles' prove the catholic church to be the real church. is that what you're getting at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Well I was skeptical of Padre Pio. But regardless, when I was converting to Orthodoxy I didn't need to deny Our Lady or any other miracles. Orthodox worship is still so close to Catholicism that the two will one day, God willing, be reconciled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 10 2005, 12:06 AM'] Well I was skeptical of Padre Pio. But regardless, when I was converting to Orthodoxy I didn't need to deny Our Lady or any other miracles. Orthodox worship is still so close to Catholicism that the two will one day, God willing, be reconciled. [/quote] At one time, all Patriarchs, and Bishops of all Orthodox Churches were loyal to the Pope. They all took instructions from the Successor of Peter. Antioch, Corinth, etc... All which are now Orthodox Churches where all at one time Catholic Churches in Communion with the Pope. There have also been times where Orthodox Patriarchs and Bishops taught heresy, and where corrected by their successors (Thess. has some good info on this topic). Given the above information along with Scripture - I don't understand why you would remain Orthodox. Ref: [b]Acts 20:29[/b] I know that after my departure savage wolves will come among you, and they will not spare the flock. [b]30 [/b]And from your own group, men will come forward perverting the truth to draw the disciples away after them. One group bro. [b]John 14:16[/b] [color=red]And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate 8 to be with you always, [/color] [b]17 [/b][color=red]the Spirit of truth, 9 which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it. But you know it, because it remains with you, and will be in you.[/color] [b]18 [/b][color=red]I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. [/color] ... [b]26 [/b][color=red]The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name--he will teach you everything and remind you of all that (I) told you. [/color] [b]1 Tim 3:15[/b] But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth. [b]Luke 10:16 [/b]"[color=red]He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me[/color]" How can Orthodoxy be spoken of above when the Patriarchs and Bishops can teach heresy dogmatically and be corrected at a later date by their successors? It's impossible for them be the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. I don't mean to sound insulting... I just don't understand why you would leave the Catholic Church for Orthodoxy. Brother Mulls, Fatima had over 70,000 documented witnesses, and Saint Pio had thousands of witnesses to his Stigmata - and his ability to know why people where there for confession before they told him their sins... he also walked with Christ, Mary, His Gaurdian Angel, and fought with Satan and his minions. Some very good stuff reading up on that. If the Catholic Church was not the Church, then I do not believe these things would not have happened. [url="http://www.EWTN.com"]http://www.EWTN.com[/url] and [url="http://www.Catholic-Pages.com"]http://www.Catholic-Pages.com[/url] has some good info on them. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 he's not, a bit ago he was thinking about it, well, he was planning on doing it from my understanding. but nope, he's still Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melporcristo Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 thats a good question. maybe I'll ask my friend who is not in the faith and let you know what he tells me. Pax, Melly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Aluigi' date='Jan 9 2005, 11:29 PM'] he's not, a bit ago he was thinking about it, well, he was planning on doing it from my understanding. but nope, he's still Catholic. [/quote] For crying out loud I'm NOT a boy. Do I need a pink bunny avatar or something?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 i think it's funny you were assumed male.."Spathariossa"...odd, but definitely female. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 the bunny rocks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Jan 10 2005, 02:53 AM'] i think it's funny you were assumed male.."Spathariossa"...odd, but definitely female. lol [/quote] Funny is NOT the word I would use. And thank you very much. I'm rather fond of the bunny as well. Now if only I could have him dressed as a teutonic knight I'd be set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I know, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I would like to add that I think the fluffy pink bunny rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='cathqat' date='Jan 10 2005, 03:34 AM'] I would like to add that I think the fluffy pink bunny rocks. [/quote] Perhaps you are a girl afterall... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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