Q the Ninja Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 I don't personally...but that's because I hold we're soul [i]and[/i] body, not one or the other...so many people have forgotten that......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 People sell their souls on a daily basis, you can get them back by going to confession, but really every time you sin you're putting your soul in the hands of Satan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Mortally sin.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilmGuy127 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 i knew somebody who sold their soul on ebay once... she didnt get very much from it... like 100$ or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Jan 10 2005, 01:29 AM'] I'm a little confused.... indulgences aren't the same thing as a blessing, correct? Am I just not understanding the passage, because it doesn't seem to say that they lose the blessing, just indulgences, that is if the item carried an indulgence that would get you a Perpetual Indulgence or something it would lose that effect, but would it wipe out the blessing entirely? I'm still struggling with how something that is a sacramental because it's been blessed can become entirely not-sacramental because it has lost the blessing.... can someone explain? [/quote] "bump" for my question.... just in case someone can answer it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='FilmGuy127' date='Jan 12 2005, 01:58 AM'] i knew somebody who sold their soul on ebay once... she didnt get very much from it... like 100$ or something... [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 (edited) I'll try my best to answer your question Katie. From what I know about sacramentals they can in fact lose their blessing if they are desecrated, or are substantially broken such that they can no longer be used for their sacred purpose, or if they are publicly sold however if an item is sold by one individual to another for only the price of the material itself -- i.e., if no profit is made, the blessing remains. Now according to a cite using the Baltimore Catechism [url="http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/faith/bc3-21.htm"]http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/faith/bc3-21.htm[/url] Things lose the Indulgences attached to them: 1. When they are so changed at once as to be no longer what they were; 2. When they are sold. Rosaries and other indulgenced articles do not lose their indulgences, when they are loaned or given away, for the indulgence is not personal but attached to the article itself. And you're correct indulgences and a blessing are not the same thing. By definition an indulgence is the remission in whole or in part of the temporal punishment due to sin. Hope this helps if not let me know and I'll see what else I can find God Bless, Jen Edited January 12, 2005 by StColette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote name='StColette' date='Jan 12 2005, 05:10 PM'] I'll try my best to answer your question Katie. From what I know about sacramentals they can in fact lose their blessing if they are desecrated, or are substantially broken such that they can no longer be used for their sacred purpose, or if they are publicly sold however if an item is sold by one individual to another for only the price of the material itself -- i.e., if no profit is made, the blessing remains. Now according to a cite using the Baltimore Catechism [url="http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/faith/bc3-21.htm"]http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/faith/bc3-21.htm[/url] Things lose the Indulgences attached to them: 1. When they are so changed at once as to be no longer what they were; 2. When they are sold. Rosaries and other indulgenced articles do not lose their indulgences, when they are loaned or given away, for the indulgence is not personal but attached to the article itself. And you're correct indulgences and a blessing are not the same thing. By definition an indulgence is the remission in whole or in part of the temporal punishment due to sin. Hope this helps if not let me know and I'll see what else I can find God Bless, Jen [/quote] Now all that makes perfect sense. I was getting confused by sources that said things like indulgences can be lost but made no mention of blessing and "indulgence" was being equated with "blessing." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Jan 11 2005, 10:59 PM'] I like the quote from CS Lewis. You are a soul, you have a body. Or something like that. [/quote] I am with Q on this one. That quote sounds Gnostic to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted January 13, 2005 Author Share Posted January 13, 2005 I remember I'd cruise around on eBay looking for auctions of souls. The officials would shut them down most of the time. Some of the sillier auctions are people who auction their friendship. Depending on how high it goes, they'll include extra perks (presents, phone calls, photos). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Jan 12 2005, 06:21 PM'] Now all that makes perfect sense. I was getting confused by sources that said things like indulgences can be lost but made no mention of blessing and "indulgence" was being equated with "blessing." [/quote] glad to have helped. I understand about the wording of some sources, it can be very confusing at times, which usually leads to me reading about 20 different sites to find the correct answer hehe so I completely understand where you're coming from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary's Knight, La Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote name='Benedict' date='Jan 12 2005, 08:07 PM'] I am with Q on this one. That quote sounds Gnostic to me. [/quote] actually it wasn't meant to be gnostic, if i'm correct thinking it's from [u]Mere Christianity[/u] then his point is to convince people that they live beyond physical death. Plus an amature understanding of sheed is that personhood resides in the spirit. but amature understandings aside his point is that the soul is far more important than the body, both are good but it is the state of the soul which must take precedence over the concerns of the body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote name='Mary's Knight, La' date='Jan 12 2005, 09:20 PM'] Plus an amature understanding of sheed is that personhood resides in the spirit. [/quote] If body and soul are not integrated, there isn't a complete human person. For humans, being a person means being a body as well as being a soul. Neither soul nor body is the whole human person. A human person is composed of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Exactly. That is why the quote sounded Gnostic. It seems to identify man as a soul that happens to have a body rather than a soul and a body together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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