HomeTeamFamily Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 thank you benedict......last night at 5am it was kind of hard to see that clearly lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 [quote]Such objects lose, if sold, all the indulgences previously attached to them (S. Cong. Of Indulg., 12 July, 1847).[/quote] Which is why one has to go see the parish priest after buying goodies from the home parish giftshop/bookstore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 [quote name='Benedict' date='Jan 9 2005, 10:43 AM'] Dreamweaver never said he had no qualms about them selling holy water nor was his post "complaining about them selling it to witches or non-catholics". The topic of his post is what happens when other religions try to buy and use holy water; does it work or not? [/quote] Actually I'm a girl, but its ok. Concerning the selling of blessed objects, the Catholic church basically states that the objects lose their previous blessings if sold. Does anyone know if other religions' have a similar belief? Many of these witchcraft supply stores charge exorbiant prices, and I really can't tell if they're blessed or anything. I wasn't putting down wicca or those who practice it. I just found it curious that stores sell things for exorbiant prices, especially since wicca and other forms of paganism describe themselves as nature based religions. I'm not sure of any other religions or belief systems have a form of blessing or consecrating objects, or what their "policy" is on selling or charging more for blessed objects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Exhorbitant. [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/EldricIV/Nazi.gif[/img] I am not sure if this is 100% accurate, but from what I know, many ingredients in witchcraft must be harvested or prepared in a specific way, at a specific time, and/or with a specific spell or incantation that could be considered like a blessing. One can assume that since these shops do exist to sell ingredients or charms or whatever, selling them does not break the spell. Or, one can postulate that even if it does break the spell it does not impact their use in witchcraft (otherwise why buy them). Or, one can postulate that these stores cater to the rebellious teen wiccans and not the "real" witches. Sort of the cafeteria Catholics of the pagan world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 Haha, sorry, its actually spelled exorbiant. [url="http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=exorbitant"]From Merriam-Webster Online[/url]. Not sure if there are different spellings for different regions though. Yes, I would like to believe that "true" witches somehow aquire their supplies and tools with natural found objects or suitable cheap things, rather than expensive shops and such. I don't see the purpose of stores selling 80 different types of magical oils (the ingredients aren't even listed) for $8 an ounce or so. One could make the same argument about Catholic sacramentals too. Simple plastic or knotted rosaries vs precious gem rosaries that cost hundreds of dollars. Or simple 25 cent medals vs 24k gold medals. It seems that many of these stores send a message that one must get items with blah blah blah oil infused in it and x number of gemstones to channel energy most effectively. Not to mention specific ritual robes, candles, yadda yadda. Anyone know of any wiccans/pagans that could share their thoughts on stores that deal in witchcraft supplies and materials vs using found objects in their rituals? It seems to me that it would be more fitting to their beliefs if they used handmade/hand grown stuff rather than overpriced, manufactured tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 You spelled it "exorbiant" again. I know of a witchcraft website where you can ask about it. PM me if you want the address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 *hijack* crusader, I just have to say this MORRISON ROCKS! *exits* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Benedict' date='Jan 9 2005, 11:47 AM'] This was mentioned in the [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14001a.htm"]Simony[/url] article: "It is thus unlawful to exchange ecclesiastical benefices by private authority, to accept any payment whatever for holy oils, to sell blessed rosaries or crucifixes. Such objects lose, if sold, all the indulgences previously attached to them (S. Cong. Of Indulg., 12 July, 1847)." [/quote] I'm a little confused.... indulgences aren't the same thing as a blessing, correct? Am I just not understanding the passage, because it doesn't seem to say that they lose the blessing, just indulgences, that is if the item carried an indulgence that would get you a Perpetual Indulgence or something it would lose that effect, but would it wipe out the blessing entirely? I'm still struggling with how something that is a sacramental because it's been blessed can become entirely not-sacramental because it has lost the blessing.... can someone explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I did a little research, and as it turns out, there is Holy Water made by witches which does not involve the Catholic Church in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 the bibles warns about conversations that go around in circles. If you have questions, read the bible! Spend time with God and ask Him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 um yeah, ok. Will the spelling Nazi please stop it?! Or the Ninja-Nazi will come out to play. Pointing out people's mistakes is rude and it has been a time-honored tradition here at Phatmass that we simply try not to do it, unless clarification relevant to the dialog is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 no its not rude!!! what do you think most of the new testament is!! Reminding people what Christ wants from His body, or the church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalyst Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 edification is what conversation and relationships are all about!! check ephesians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 "no its not rude!!! what do you think most of the new testament is!!" CALM DOWN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Catalyst' date='Jan 10 2005, 01:42 AM'] no its not rude!!! what do you think most of the new testament is!! Reminding people what Christ wants from His body, or the church. [/quote] The rude comment was toward correcting people's spelling which in our little cyber-world is rude and time-consuming and distracts from the dialog at hand. Most of us are smart enough to figure out what people mean. Not everyone can type as well as me, and I don't hold it against them. I'm pretty sure the bible never said anything specifically about correcting people's spelling. Last time I checked, it wasn't a sin to make spelling errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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