Quietfire Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Jan 9 2005, 11:30 PM'] Good and evil doesnt come from God. It comes from us. [/quote] Good comes from God. And that is how he created us. Everything God created is good. If we choose to sin, we choose evil. Sin=refusing God's grace. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 O God, the author and lover of peace, to know Whom is to live, to serve Whom is to reign, shield Thy suppliants from all assaults, so that we who trust in Thy protection may fear no foe. Through Christ Our Lord. Amen. O most merciful Jesus, lover of souls, I beseech Thee, through the agony of Thy most holy Heart and through the sorrows of Thy Immaculate Mother, wash in Thy Blood the sinners of the whole world who are now in their agony and will die today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Quietfire' date='Jan 10 2005, 12:16 AM'] Good comes from God. And that is how he created us. Everything God created is good. If we choose to sin, we choose evil. Sin=refusing God's grace. Period. [/quote] No. Good comes from humans. Evil comes from humans. NO God Evolved, in either. Reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 G. K. Chesterton would tear you apart! too bad he's not alive... go read one of his books. i suggest The Everlasting Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 (edited) So now then I am back to my first response to you on this thread. Isnt it amazing how your arguement, which is no arguement, just causes you to go round and round. Why, then, are you here? Pax. Edited January 10, 2005 by Quietfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 All good comes from God- it may manifest itself through a human (ie a human is inspired by God to do good) but at the end of the good line is God. Now Im pretty sure all evil comes from the devil right? and we as human beings either choose the good (God and virtue) or the evil (devil and sin). Of course God is involved in it- God is pure goodness pure pure holiness- to say that he is not involved is pure ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 [quote name='Aluigi' date='Jan 10 2005, 05:19 AM'] G. K. Chesterton would tear you apart! too bad he's not alive... go read one of his books. i suggest The Everlasting Man [/quote] Point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureSoror Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Look at the world around us; a leaf, a giraffe, a person, anything. Think about the intricate disign, and how it works. No one can reproduce that. If you went on a walk on the seashore and found an ipod, you would assume that someone left it there. Something like that doesn't assemble itself naturally. No matter how many times you throw bike parts in the air, they are never going to fall in the shape of a bike. It's the same with the natural world. Throwing bits of matter in the air will never make a leaf that makes its own food and drinks water from the ground. These things in the natural world obviously have a designer, and humans in particular are set apart from the rest of them. I would deffinetly say that the beauty of creation is a good. God created a good world, and we chose to reject him by sinning. We are not promised happiness on earth, but told that this is not our home, and that the happiness is waiting in heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 I wish I could find an ipod on the beach- altogh it would be messed up with sand in it id still sell it on ebay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 I use to use that FutureS. Its a poor example, unless you show it scientifically, which no Christian has so far, the Muslims have, and brilliantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 wait im lost- where did sciecne come in here??? about her saying that you cant just through random matter and expect it to come out as something?- dude shes right- its common sence- and whats this muslim thing your talking about??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 [quote]BUSH WINS!!!!! WE ALL WIN!!!!! THE TROOPS WIN!!!!!! THE UNBORN WIN!!!!!!!! THE TERRORISTS LOOSE!!!!!!![/quote] Hmm Do you watch ANYTHING BUT FOX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 yes as a matter of fact I do- I watch food network, tnn, history channel, and I would watch ewtn if we got it. but where does that come in??? if your trying to start a political debate with me here- Youd better be prepared for a thrashing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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