Some Questions

[Donna]

Dear Jonie,

Good questions.

Donna

[Anna]

Most Christians think of the Church that they belong to as the best place for them, the place where the pastor is saying things that relate best to them and their life.

When Christ mentioned that the gates of hell would not prevail against Her.  It is kinda silly to think that if Christ built His Church on a ROCK (even if you don't think he was refering to Peter), which he stated clearly in scripture, that a few years later it would corrupt (as most Protestants think).

Try this:

Substitute alcoholics for Christians, barrooms for churches, and bartenders for pastors, and the statement is still the same...

"Most alcoholics think of the barrooms that they belong to as the best place for them, the place where the bartender is saying things that relate best to them and their life."

If we choose to follow our own will, it can take us anywhere.

If we choose to follow God's Will, it will bring us to His Church. :wub:

Pax Christi. <><

Jake...

" I mean, what kinda rock was he refering to? A dirtrock? Hahahahah."

lol, you're too funny.

[Brother Adam]

Individual guidance of the Holy Spirit while real and useful does not make someone infallible or prevent him from twisting scripture. Look at Protestantism; it's full of hundreds of competing theologies, all coming from professing, supposedly Spirit-filled Christians. Rather, we need an infallible magisterium to teach us the true faith just as the apostles taught the true faith in the apostolic age

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I like.

[Jonle]

These are really good answers. I'm entering RCIA, not because of them, but they're good answers just the same. Please pray for the Repose of the soul of Jack Keeney.

[marielapin]

Hyper and Jon,

If you guys are in the Auburn area you should go to St. Michaels. I went through RCIA there and the priests are incredible - plus the parish has some wonderful people there who are on fire for their faith! I definately encourage you to go!

If you go, say hi to Father Todd Kreitinger for me - he married us.

http://stmichaelthearchangel.homestead.com/

Edited July 13, 2003 by marielapin

[Jonle]

That's where Michael and Ashley go to daily Mass. St. Elizabeth's in Greenville is Michael's home parish, he's related by blood or marriage to everybody in Butler County, so that's where I'm going to do RCIA. My aunt Anna goes to Saint Michael's, recognize these names: Anna Leutzinger, Hannah Rebecca Forrest, Anne-Grace Edwards? Yes I know Anna, Hannah, and Anne are the same name. My aunt's a narcissist.

[marielapin]

You know, I knew a lot of folks there but I didn't know most of their names. Pretty sad, huh? but I bet I would probably recognize them...when you go to church every Sunday during the school year for four years and most days for daily mass for a year or so you pretty much see everyone...

[Jonle]

Anna's a cute thirty-something looking woman who wears a lot of animal print, I don't know whether or not she does to Church. Hannah Rebecca's blonde and in her mid-twenties and has four of the most annoying children you could ever meet. Anne-Grace probably was the girl who showed up at mass every Sunday half naked and she's obscenely red-headed.

[marielapin]

LOL those are some hilarious descriptions...now let me think....

[IcePrincessKRS]

For a second when I saw "Anna" in that post I thought you were talking about my mother---I hadn't read the previous post and I just caught that line as I was scrolling up.

[hyperdulia again]

These are really good answers.  I'm entering RCIA, not because of them, but they're good answers just the same.  Please pray for the Repose of the soul of Jack Keeney.

That's Jon talk for, "Wow! Those were really eye opening statements that served as a powerful confirmation of my decision to enter RCIA. Thank You for being so kind as to answer my questions."

Boys

Please pray for Jack Keeney's Soul.

Edited July 15, 2003 by hyperdulia again

[hyperdulia again]

I forget which question it was, but the Church committed no error in not discouraging the Cult of Saint Philomena, she is however the only Saint to be raised to the altars soley [sp?] based on miracles. We don't have very detailed information about the lives of a lot of traditional saints (including the BVM!), but they're still saints.

[Quietfire]

[quote]Over 200 books and letters were considered to go into the New Testament Canon, but only 27 made it, the 27 chosen by the Catholic Church.[/quote]

And yet dont we still use those other 173+ books for guidance? Not argueing here. I know some are not (or were not) used because they may have been heretical, but others were and are, correct?

If correct, then there are many things the Church knows and teaches that arent in the Bible. This is why there is a Magisterium.

This is something that Protest-antism cannot even touch.
Protest-antism is now 500 years away from the teachings of the Church.
Protest-antism now has to rely on its own 'teachings'.
Protest-antism is how many generations away from those who were Catholic but decided to abandon God for their own self. Their own pride.

Seems that Protest-antism ate the apple again.

The name Protest-ant is exactly defined here, not only against the Church, but to God Himself.


[quote]Most Christians think of the Church that they belong to as the best place for them, the place where the pastor is saying things that relate best to them and their life.[/quote]

This is where I was not long ago. But there was something missing...Gd.
There was alot of something else though....pride.
I am glad to be coming home to Rome.



Peace :peace:

[BeenaBobba]

[quote name='Jonle' date='Jul 10 2003, 09:24 PM'] I'm not going to be here after tomorrow to respond to the answers to these questions(we're going on a retreat), but i thought I'd ask them anyway: [/quote]
Hi Jonle,

I'll try to answer your questions to the best of my ability, and I'll try to be brief.

[quote]1.  Why do Catholics think of the Catholic Church as being more than just another denomination?[/quote]

Through lengthy study of both the Bible and history, in addition to other religions, I've come to the conclusion that the evidence suggests that the Catholic Church is the one, true Church that contains the fullness of the truth.

[quote]Most Christians think of the Church that they belong to as the best place for them, the place where the pastor is saying things that relate best to them and their life.[/quote]

I'm Catholic because I think it's the best place for me. The reason I think it's the best place for me is because I believe it is true. I'm not Catholic 'cause I feel it's some sort of "feel good" religion and nothing more, or because I merely feel satisfied emotionally.

In a dialogue with a non-Catholic online, I was once accused of being Catholic because it "felt good" for me. Yes, the truth does feel good, but he seemed to have been implying that I'm Catholic for some emotional reasons, that Catholicism is the "easy road" for me. I found that amusing, even though I disagree with his assessment entirely. If I wanted to take the "easy" road, I wouldn't be Catholic; I'd be one of those "Once saved, always saved" Christians. The thing is, though, that I do not find that to be true. I find Catholicism to be true, and the truth is a top priority to me.

[quote]2.  Why do Catholics feel that God would have to guide the Magisterium of their Church (especially) and protect Papal pronouncements from error, when all believers are promised the guidance of the Holy Spirit?[/quote]

See, that's empirically false. All Christians can't be infallible in terms of biblical interpretion and the discernment of truth, otherwise all Christians would agree. That's far from the case. That there are numerous Christian denominations refutes the argument that all Christians can be their own Magisterium.

[quote]3.  Why does the Catholic Church teach that it doesn't change its teachings on matters of faith and morals?[/quote]

The Church teaches that it doesn't change its teachings on faith and morals simply because it cannot change its teachings. It'd be impossible to do so. Plus, John 16:13 says that the Holy Spirit will guide the Church to all truth, and 1 Tim. 3:15 says that the Church is the "pillar and foundation of truth." The Bible also requires that believers be one in belief. Of course, I believe that the Catholic Church is the one, true Church, and that other Christian denominations broke off from the Catholic Church; ergo, I believe that the Catholic Church is the "pillar and foundation of truth" described in 1 Tim. 3:15.

That's all I'll write for now, but I hope to write more some time later in the future.

God bless,

Jen

P.S. Wow, this is an old thread, huh?