IcePrincessKRS Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 lol I like Anna's answer! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 lol I like Anna's answer! :D You can't say "Anna", you have to say "Mom" I like it too God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn Posted October 20, 2003 Author Share Posted October 20, 2003 Thanks ironmonk - I'm impressed with your first post. Thanks for keeping it short and informative! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeodatus Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 St Augustine is one of the greatest! He's much misrepresented by certain kinds of Protestants, but that's because they take bits of his writings out of context. In fighting with 2 main heresies, Donatism and Pelagianism, Augustine's concern was that everyone should be a child of God the Father. If they're not, then they have no share in the Father's Kingdom. The Donatists separated themselves by 'external separation' (like modern day SSPX and Lefebvrists do), and the Pelagians separated themselves by 'inward migration' (making themselves out to be already perfect---like liberal Christians do now, having no need for realities like 'sin', 'salvation' or 'grace'). Augustine also named his illegitimate love-child Adeodatus, 'gift from God'. Have you read his 'Confessions'? It's such a cool book!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joolye Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 If you don't want long answers, don't ask questions that have them. He he, I thought someone would say something like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 Thanks ironmonk - I'm impressed with your first post. Thanks for keeping it short and informative! Thank you. I'm glad you liked it. If you get a chance, please go to the New Advent link and read more of his writings. They are amazing. St. Augustine's knowledge of the faith ran deep. God Blessed him. St. Augustine had a major role in helping with the Canon of the New Testament. God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I must confess, I don't always read all of ironmonk's posts because they are so loooooooooooooooooong! But then again, I know I'm a little lazy. All great posts on this thread. Thanks ICTHUS for your doubting questions. Those kinda floated around in the back of my mind. Thanks ironmonk and Anna for the solid answers! They settled some questions in my mind. You'd think that Robyn was working for God to help me learn more about Catholicism. Thanks Robyn! jasJis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 I get a kick out of prots trying to tie St. Augustine to anything other than the Catholic Church. He's my patron saint, St. Augustine rocks. He is soo Catholic, to say otherwise would be lying to yourself. St. Augustine pray for us God Bless, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted October 20, 2003 Share Posted October 20, 2003 nice posts Iron and Anna, couldnt of proved the point any better than you too did. Keep up the great work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I would like to get into a discussion about the writings of Augustine that Protestants like to use to try to prove that the Catholic Church is semi-pelagian. Anyone up for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure of Ars Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I would like to get into a discussion about the writings of Augustine that Protestants like to use to try to prove that the Catholic Church is semi-pelagian. Anyone up for that? I am willing to talk about this subject. I already talked about this subject with Mustbenothing. You can see what we talked about here http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...i-pelagian&st=0 You start the thread if you want to talk about this. God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I read the thread, and Im horribly confused. Maybe I'm just not smart enough to understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn Posted October 21, 2003 Author Share Posted October 21, 2003 You'd think that Robyn was working for God to help me learn more about Catholicism. Thanks Robyn! jasJis haha...you could be right God works through people! When I have time I will definitely look at those sites ironmonk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 (edited) May we know what prompted your question, Robyn? Perhaps we could be more specific in our answers and therefore be more helpful if we knew why you asked. As jasJis mentioned, St. Augustine was not always correct in his theology, but 99% of the time, he was. Even the highly esteemed St. Thomas Aquinas wasn't correct in everything he wrote. But both of them are, nevertheless, Doctors of the Church and are greatly loved and respected. The Church gratefully accepts explanations of doctrine from her children that comport with her own understanding received from the Apostles, always guided by the Spirit, and rejects those which do not. The teaching of the Church is infallible (otherwise we'd be orphans, left to figure out our salvation for ourselves, and "God's revelation" would be a meaningless term). But Augustine, Aquinas, and other saints were not infallible, and neither are the rest of us!. Ave Cor Mariae, Katholikos Edited October 21, 2003 by Katholikos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 I posted about the sufficiency of grace. This topic has made me depressed. Seriously, doubting my theology DEPRESSES me! Because I wonder if all the Protestants are right, and that I am a semi-pelagian and I (and all my Catholic friends) are on the highway to Hell, as all the Protestants say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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