Noel's angel Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 i know theyre polarising at the moment, but theres no proof to say that this will continue, thats my point. unless Sinn Fein move completely away from the IRA, they will NOT merge with the SDLP. I studied Irish politics at the start of the year, and trust me it isnt better than American politics (or maybe we just studied all the dull stuff) get urself an Irish passport and ill allow u to call urself Irish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 (edited) [quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jan 13 2005, 07:45 AM'] RandomProddy Stuff VV VV V [/quote] [quote]According to international law, no.[/quote] International law DIDNT Exist in 1922. Dont try and apply laws or a court system that never existed around the time. [quote]Fascism: a political system based on a very powerful leader, state control and extreme pride in country and race, and in which political opposition is not allowed[/quote] *Cough* [quote]Correction, it is part of a nation which is a constitutional monarchy. And Northern Ireland is not a state, it is a province.[/quote] Ireland was never a constitutional monarchy and you know it, it was colonized and imperialized, that doesnt give ANY validicy to anything the imperial power does, again nice try. [quote]Oh yes it does. It has been doing fine for the last 80-odd years[/quote] Wrong. Try again. 80 Years of forced oppression dont make it valid. [quote]How about Demographic?[/quote] That 2. [quote]Pushed on the vast majority??[/quote] Yes, HAVE YOU READ HISTORY?? [quote]I think anti-corruption should be one of the highest priorities of any government. [/quote] Then we better get away from britain, but wait, WE SHOULD FOR REASONS OTHER THAN THAT! [quote]You content that the views of the majority on the status of their own nationhood are irrelevant. I think you are a fascist but that's just me. You seem to fit the definition. [/quote] MAJORITY?? There not a majority, dont give me that bull. [color=red]edited for rudeness [/color], UR STINKIN COUNTRY CAUSED ALL THIS!..LOL. Edited January 14, 2005 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 & [b]UP THE 'RA!!!![/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 This thread is pretty cool! I haven't been on PM in months and I just stumbled upon this puppy. Tight!!!! I forgot how cool phatmass can be. It's cool seeing that you peeps are still on here too. Hope I can start posting regularly again. Bye. Oh, P.S. I particularly like your post about the decline of protestantism Al. That was sweet. (the one with the map pics) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 (edited) [quote]International law DIDNT Exist in 1922. Dont try and apply laws or a court system that never existed around the time.[/quote] It was a bilateral agreement done at the time. Considering it involved no-one else and it was a negotiation of Ireland's involvement in the Empire at the time in some ways it was international law. And I wouldn't lecture anyone English or Scottish on law, we invented the modern system. [quote]Ireland was never a constitutional monarchy and you know it,[/quote] Exactly. Ireland was never EVER a united independent country. When we went over in the middle ages (under the command of Pope Adrian IV) it was a disparate group of Celts that we encountered. Besides, if you read my sentence again you will see I used the present tense. Northern Ireland is part of a nation which is a constitutional monarchy. Every country with either a High Commission or an Embassy in the UK recognises that fact. That includes the ENTIRE commonwealth and the US and Eire. [quote]Wrong. Try again. 80 Years of forced oppression dont make it valid. [/quote] Ugh. Yes, the Northern Irish government had some Civil rights issues to deal with (just like in the southern US which Martin Luther King helped out with). Previous malevolency does not make an illegal present-day invasion valid. I really don't get you. What are you expecting? Are you expecting Bertie Ahern and Mary Macaleese to authorize an invasion of the North using a tinpot army with NO allies (Eire is a neutral country remember. If they invade Northern Ireland, they have no-one, we have all of NATO to help us if need be) against one of the world's foremost military powers? You expect the IRA to go psycho with little support from it's populous? [quote]Then we better get away from britain, but wait, WE SHOULD FOR REASONS OTHER THAN THAT![/quote] Oh yes, I forgot, you need to get ready to subjugate yourselves to the EU. Go for it mate.. Edited January 14, 2005 by RandomProddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Nice Try Proddy. But you know well that Ireland belongs to the IRISH ONLY. UP The 'RA! And yes I didnt bother answering ur stuff, becoz its soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo overwhelmingly perfect. LOL Cya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 (edited) It appears we are not going to agree. Hopefully the politicians who make the decisions on this issue can and peace can be solidified. Edited January 15, 2005 by RandomProddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 yeah, getting peace is much more important than trying to get a united ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 (edited) Brilliant Statement Noel, Especially when you think about the situation and a UNITED IRELAND WOULD BRING PEACE! OMG. NOW Im convinced[b](!!!!!)[/b] you dont live in the six counties or anywhere on the island of Ireland. Edited January 16, 2005 by Phatmasser777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 trying to get a united ireland will not bring peace, unionists will simply reject the idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Sunday World-January 16, 2005 The IRA have come up with a new-style punishment shooting which Republicans are calling the 'Padre Pio.' The victims are forced onto their knees, made to put their hands together as if they are praying, and then shot once through the hand. The bullet from the pistol then exits through the other hand. Last Saturday night, a Provo snatch team abducted an 18-year old and took him to Seaforde Street in the Short Strand area of east Belfast for the 'Padre Pio' shooting. It is understood the IRA shot him because they claimed he had been involoved in a fight with members of its door security team at a Belfast nightclub. Three days later, a 19 year-old man was snatched from a house in Gortnamona Way in west Belfast. He was dragged to Westhill Way and shot in the hands. Said a source in west Belfast: 'The Provos are calling it the Padre Pio. But at the end of the day they are nothing but gangsters who believe they are judge, jury and executioners.' It is the third shhoting by the IRA in the first 16 days of the new year as the peace process has faltered. so now what do we think of the IRA???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Noel's angel' date='Jan 16 2005, 05:44 PM'] Sunday World-January 16, 2005 (snip) so now what do we think of the IRA???? [/quote] Nasty people, but then so are some of the loyalist paramilitary groups, let's be fair about it. I think we should approach this from a different angle, and I'm never one to shy away from theorizing imaginary senarios. Let's say that Ireland unifies and the Loyalists don't create a civil war. How would you vision Ireland? Should it have the same government? (maybe perhaps, an elective monarchy?) Should it stay neutral or should it try to form alliances? Should it join NATO? Should it stay in the EU and the Eurozone? Should it rejoin the Commonwealth? Should it join the US? (whic, unfortunately, would mean it would have to alter it's abortion laws...) What should it's relationship be with Great Britain? Should it form a bilateral alliance and use the Pound, making a special zone out of the British Isles? any other theories?! I'll post my crazy idea later. I think some of you will think strongly about it Edited January 16, 2005 by RandomProddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 join the U.S.?????? :angry: if anything, the U.S. should join Ireland! lol. no definitely not join the U.S., that's the only thing there I have a really strong objection to. not that I don't like the U.S., but Ireland needs to be free from all forms of foreign rule (plus the abortion thing). E.U., be wary, I don't know they should get out just yet but it might be prudent at least in the near future to get out before they loose sovereignty lol, i would love the republic to stay governed the same but there also to be a king, probably hereditary I have no problem with, simply for the sake of unity and national identity. ooo, and what if it took up distributism? i fear the marxist leanings especially amoung the republicans but i think they could be convinced to take up distributism more later, gotta go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 btw, I volunteer to be King! my namesake "brian" was once a great Irish King. :king: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I'm a descendant of Brian, if youre talking about Brian Boru. So technically, I should get to be King. Its in me blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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