Phatmasser777 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 Proddy. That dont mean nothing. Northern Ireland belongs to the South, it dont matter what the hell the people of the north(loyalists) think. The State was MADE to be a loyalist state, within a republican country, it was to be a Protestant state within the catholic country. Northern Ireland has no validicy in history, borders or geography. It was an illegal state, pushed onto the inhabitants of the land, just like Israel to the Arabs. It doesnt matter on corruption and that, I mean COME ON, one word BLAIR, like your statement gives ANY validicy to the illegal state of Northern ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 (edited) [quote]Northern Ireland belongs to the South, [/quote] According to international law, no. [quote]it dont matter what the hell the people of the north(loyalists) think.[/quote] Fascism: a political system based on a very powerful leader, state control and extreme pride in country and race, and in which political opposition is not allowed [quote]The State was MADE to be a loyalist state, within a republican country,[/quote] Correction, it is part of a nation which is a constitutional monarchy. And Northern Ireland is not a state, it is a province. [quote]Northern Ireland has no validicy in history,[/quote] Oh yes it does. It has been doing fine for the last 80-odd years. [quote]borders or geography.[/quote] How about Demographic? [quote]It was an illegal state, pushed onto the inhabitants of the land, just like Israel to the Arabs.[/quote] Pushed on the vast majority?? [quote]It doesnt matter on corruption and that,[/quote] I think anti-corruption should be one of the highest priorities of any government. You content that the views of the majority on the status of their own nationhood are irrelevant. I think you are a fascist but that's just me. You seem to fit the definition. By the way, in case you didn't know of this treaty, please read the [url="http://www.reform.org/TheReformMovement_files/article_files/Treaties/1985.htm"]Anglo-Irish Agreement 1985[/url] signed by both the British and Irish governments. Edited January 13, 2005 by RandomProddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 (edited) what is the criteria for a "corrupt" government according to Transparency International? that is one of my issues raised on this thread-- that Ireland should be more wary of the E.U. England is going more and more to the E.U. too, it's sucking everyone in. Northern Ireland should decide for itself. Northern Ireland should join the Republic because that's where it belongs in my humble opinion. It is time for Sinn Fein to work to convince the people of that. Reasons the North should join the Republic:[list] [*]The Republic is a Catholic Nation who attributes their power to Almighty God and therefore has more right to rule than any non-Catholic Nation would. [*]The Republic protects the life of the unborn [*]The Republic is Traditional Ireland [*]Traditional Ireland once included the entire island [*]The Catholics of the North have the right to be under a Catholic Country [*]To do away with traditional Eire simply because it is no longer so is chronological snobbery [*]It costs Great Britain too much time and money anyway [/list]These are some of my reasons. Ireland needs to deal with its problems, but just because England might be doing better off right now doesn't mean anything. If you look at the Election map I showed, Northern Ireland is getting more and more polarized. Currently the North's popular opinion is to stay with England. Popular opinion sways with the wind and in Catholic Teaching should not be the deciding factor for governments. It appears Sinn Fein is overtaking the SDLP, so dark and light green will eventually be all dark green. The data shows decline of Protestants in Ireland overall. It is likely to continue [img]http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/maps/island_protestants_1861_1991.gif[/img] That purple is on it's way light blue, that light blue is on its way dark blue, the pink doesn't seem to be changing much. Let British Norther Ireland be the pink part in the east. Ireland will one day be a united Catholic Nation. <decline is more likely attributed to contraceptives than to the IRA, though I'm sure fear of the IRA may have caused some to leave and maybe there were some conversions, but overall it appears to be contraceptives to me. With the decline of Protestants and the rising of Sinn Fein, don't count the chance out yet. Edited January 13, 2005 by Aluigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 (edited) MY VISION: [img]http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-9/837215/2050.jpg[/img] anyway, let me repost about the election results to show you why a majority of unionists means diddly squat with the political scene it's in: DUP (hardline unionist) 107,348 (13.6%) 181,999 (22.5%) UUP (unionist) 258,439 (32.7%) 216, 839 (26.8%) SDLP (nationalist) 190,844 (24.1%) 169,865 (21.0%) Sinn Féin (hardline nationalist) 126,921 (16.1%) 175,392 (21.7%) Alliance (non-aligned) 62,972 (8.0%) 28,999 (3.6%) Others 44,365 (5.6%) 36,739 (4.5%) Sinn Fein is takin over SDLP. they can get another 10% at least from them within the next 5-10 years I think. that wold bring them up to 31.7% the DUP is takin over the UUP too though, but not with as much momentum. i think they can get 5-7% within the net 5-10 years, that would bring them to 27.5% if Sinn Fein keeps its momentum and the DUP keeps at its pace, i can see Sinn Fein as the largest political party within 10 years, and within 20 maybe they can really acheive a mandate from the people, within 30 perhaps, God willing, the return of the Six Counties to traditional Eire Edited January 13, 2005 by Aluigi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 i cant see it happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 people couldn't see Bush winning people can't see alot of stuff happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 yeah, but the odds are too big to overcome. There will be a powersharing Government for a long time in Northern Ireland, i cant see there being a single party government in the remotely near future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 with some hard work i can see it 30, 40, 50ish years... nothing is impossible with God (and protestants contracept ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 i suppose you never know what the future will hold. i think most people over here have lost a lot of hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 I wish it wasn't so anti-American over there so I could go be a Sinn Fein politician and return hope to them but I donno, it's in a swing, don't throw in the towell yet. both dark red and dark green are going up, there will be a massive power struggle in the coming years. [img]http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/charts/polarisation_1997_2001.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 were not really anti American, we just hate the fact that Americans call themselves Irish all the time lol. either everyone will go extemeist, or people will start to centalise more, towards the UUP and SDLP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Noel's angel' date='Jan 13 2005, 08:39 PM'] were not really anti American, we just hate the fact that Americans call themselves Irish all the time lol. [/quote] It annoys me too, and I'm English by upbringing. I wonder what that says about me... Edited January 13, 2005 by RandomProddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 [quote name='Noel's angel' date='Jan 13 2005, 06:48 PM'] yeah, but the odds are too big to overcome. There will be a powersharing Government for a long time in Northern Ireland, i cant see there being a single party government in the remotely near future [/quote] The rate at which the main parties are squabbling, getting any powersharing government will be a big step in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 lol, true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 cant I move to Ireland and then call myself irish? if it weren't for that beaver dam potato famine I'd be Irish now! i really don't like being named after Amerigo Vespucci... anyway, they're not really going towards centralising, they're polarising. that was the point of all the maps n stats n stuff. i'm rootin for Sinn Fein to overtake or merge with the SDLP and the unionists to say separated. Irish politics are just so much more interesting than American ones to me ... i want to be Irish do you think i could just move there and pick up the accent and pretend i'm irish? I have about 80% Irish blood in me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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