Noel's angel Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 i wasnt directing my comment at anyone. i was just explaining how it really is over here. u cant actually say that ireland will never unite. maybe not in our lifetime, but u never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conservativecatholic Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 [quote name='Noel's angel' date='Jan 3 2005, 01:59 PM'] i wasnt directing my comment at anyone. i was just explaining how it really is over here. u cant actually say that ireland will never unite. maybe not in our lifetime, but u never know [/quote] As long as N. Ireland is predominantly Anglican, it will never reunite with the Catholic republic. Let's be optimistic though. If the entire Northern Irish population joins Phatmass, they may find the light and convert to Christ's Church of Catholicism! By the way, I have a question. Is N. Ireland under the rule of England?And are Scotland and Wales independent countries? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 (edited) its quite complicated. Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland all have their own Assemblies. at the moment, the Northern Ireland Assembly is suspended, so major issues are dealt with by the British government. however in the case of fox hunting, for example, although it is being banned in the rest of britian, it isnt in Northern ireland. i hope that makes some sense Edited January 3, 2005 by Noel's angel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conservativecatholic Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 [quote name='Noel's angel' date='Jan 3 2005, 02:29 PM'] its quite complicated. Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland all have their own Assemblies. at the moment, the Northern Ireland Assembly is suspended, so major issues are dealt with by the British government. however in the case of fox hunting, for example, although it is being banned in the rest of britian, it isnt in Northern ireland. i hope that makes some sense [/quote] Thanks so much. Would you say that Great Britain is a confederacy? In the olympics, England, Scotland, and Wales all compete under the name of Great Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 in a sense, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 in a sense, yes. northern ireland is also part of that olympic team, however it is often left off, for some reason. technically the team should ALWAYS be known as Great Britain and Northern Ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 (edited) [quote name='conservativecatholic' date='Jan 3 2005, 09:25 PM'] As long as N. Ireland is predominantly Anglican, it will never reunite with the Catholic republic. Let's be optimistic though. If the entire Northern Irish population joins Phatmass, they may find the light and convert to Christ's Church of Catholicism! By the way, I have a question. Is N. Ireland under the rule of England?And are Scotland and Wales independent countries? Thanks! [/quote] Catholics (~40%) are the most numerous, then Presbyterians (~20%), then Anglicans (~15%). Presbyterians and Anglicans are almost to a man (80%+) loyalist, and the majority (~65%) of catholics are republican. Under democratic elections in N.I., the electorate generally votes to retain it's links with the rest of the United Kingdom. And as an Englishman, it pains me to see Ireland hug itself to the atheist corrupt EU by giving up it's power (I was amazed it gave up it's currency, even the U.K. didn't go that far). I happen to like the people, after all, I am close (I'm not Anglo-Saxon, i'm Norman-Celt) Edited January 7, 2005 by RandomProddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Aluigi' date='Dec 31 2004, 09:22 AM'] if you've ever read the Irish Constitution, you know a big part of it is the national sovereignty of Ireland.  [/quote] The Irish Constitution has been altered and it's explicit claim to all of the territory of Ireland has been removed. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement[/url] [quote]By the way, I have a question. Is N. Ireland under the rule of England? And are Scotland and Wales independent countries?[/quote] England does not rule Northern Ireland. The U.K. rules itself with "guidance" (meddling) from the EU, and parts of the U.K. (Scotland and Wales) have some leeway in what powers they have. Northern Ireland used to have it's own powers but they were suspended after it was found that the IRA had infiltrated parts of the N.I. government. Scotland and Wales are to a certain extent, self-governing (for example, scotland can vary it's taxes to a certain amount but neither Wales nor Scotland can have it's own armies, navies or air forces). However, much or the culture is preserved to large amounts, for example in the British Army you have regiments like the Irish Guards, the Black Watch (almost totally Scottish, not, as many Americans thought, African-American ) Edited January 7, 2005 by RandomProddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 [quote name='Noel's angel' date='Jan 3 2005, 09:49 AM'] I would ask people to consider the work of Republican movements such as the IRA and do not see them as the innocent party all the time. I would just urge people here on Phatmass to consider what various Republican movements have done to try to get a United Ireland and see that there methods were wrong. I do not know what rubbish the media feed you all, but i say, if you want to know what the situation is really like, come over here and see for yourself, rather than making presumptions. [/quote] If it wasnt for the IRA(Provos), Catholics in the six counties would still be repressed by the unionist scum. If the Provos didnt split from the Officials in 1969, and fight an armed struggle against the imperialistic britain and loyalist drones, The Six counties would not be where they are today, there would be no peace-process (which could end soon, yet again to stupid and inconcievable demands), Catholics would still have no vote, or as it later came, no "One-Man-One-Vote," no equal employment oppurtunities (which stills exists in parts), they wouldnt be able to have Catholic Parades, like the St. Paddies, which was banned under the Unionist GOV. I Would urge people NOT to listen to ignorance or news stories, but get some books, lots and lots of books, Ive read over 15 so far on the situation, from Unionist to Catholic to US-Supporters to Non-Supporters, it isnt as simple as people put it, or is a simple 'Bombing Chart Campaign' equipped enough to give any real insight. [b]Freedom Then Peace! - Tiocfaidh ar Lá[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 [quote name='conservativecatholic' date='Jan 3 2005, 02:25 PM'] As long as N. Ireland is predominantly Anglican, it will never reunite with the Catholic republic. Let's be optimistic though. If the entire Northern Irish population joins Phatmass, they may find the light and convert to Christ's Church of Catholicism! By the way, I have a question. Is N. Ireland under the rule of England?And are Scotland and Wales independent countries? Thanks! [/quote] Unionists are falling into the minority now 1970's/80's Baby boom THANKYOU SO MUCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 [quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jan 7 2005, 05:04 PM'] The Irish Constitution has been altered and it's explicit claim to all of the territory of Ireland has been removed. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement[/url] [/quote] Doesnt matter, the south is an ILLEGITIMATE STATE without the North. Until the North is united with the South, there is no legitimate 26 County Republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 [quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Jan 8 2005, 04:11 AM'] Unionists are falling into the minority now 1970's/80's Baby boom THANKYOU SO MUCH! [/quote] There are a sizeable number of catholics in the UK who are unionist. In fact, far from the Establisment being anti-catholic. the Education Secretary, not only being a catholic, is a member of Opus Dei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 [quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Jan 8 2005, 04:16 AM'] Doesnt matter, the south is an ILLEGITIMATE STATE without the North. Until the North is united with the South, there is no legitimate 26 County Republic. [/quote] Therefore 94% of people in the Republic are wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 grrrrr, all these people think they know so much about something they have no idea about... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 [quote name='Noel's angel' date='Jan 8 2005, 04:02 PM'] grrrrr, all these people think they know so much about something they have no idea about... [/quote] I should point out, not only am I an english public schoolboy, my ulster-Scot heritage was definately one-sided. I make no claim to neutrality. I do admire the Irish people though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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