Charismatic Catholics viewed as nonorthodox?

[Semperviva]

. . . i am sorry i was unclear about Dr. Marshner . . . and I would have to disagree with you. I have seen him participate in liturgies where the congregation prayed charismatically...so if he does not advocate it then why would he openly participate in it? As far as charismatic prayer on campus, lol, I meant if a group of students desired to have a prayer meeting on campus they would be prevented from doing so. Dr Marshner informed me of this rule, so ask him if you have questions. The reason, at least this is what he said, is that Dr. o'Donnell's (pres.) brother left the Catholic Church through involvement with an ecumenical charismatic group and so Dr. O'Donnell, understandably, is very wary of charismatic gatherings. hence, the reason why students had to/still have to? go off campus to hold prayer meetings.

[Oik]

[quote]Waving violates no liturgical norms.[/quote]

During mass, all postures should be unified, this would include various people waving. Even holding hands during the Our Father is a Liturgical abuse.

Apoth, you said the Church is changing. It always has been in this way and will continue. I would say "unveiling" though, not necessarily changing.

I think JPII has done a great job of showing us how to balance "tradition and charism" in our modern times. I think we, as Catholics, need both. I believe that Charism is the spirit of our tradition (please read: words, not literal) and tradition is the strong foundation from which that Spirit dervies strength.

[Guest JeffCR07]

[quote]Waving violates no liturgical norms.[/quote]

It is outside the authority of any member of the laity to add or subtract from the liturgy. The appropriate movements and gestures (bowing, crossing oneself, kneeling, etc.) during the Liturgy (for the Roman Rite) are proscribed in the General Instruction of the Roman Missal. Any gesture not proscribed therein is considered an addition to the Liturgy, and must be approved by the local Bishop.

- Your Brother In Christ, Jeff

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Semperviva' date='Jan 10 2005, 12:12 PM'] . . . i am sorry i was unclear about Dr. Marshner . . . and I would have to disagree with you. I have seen him participate in liturgies where the congregation prayed charismatically...so if he does not advocate it then why would he openly participate in it?  As far as charismatic prayer on campus, lol, I meant if a group of students desired to have a prayer meeting on campus they would be prevented from doing so. Dr Marshner informed me of this rule, so ask him if you have questions.  The reason, at least this is what he said, is that Dr. o'Donnell's (pres.) brother left the Catholic Church through involvement with an ecumenical charismatic group and so Dr. O'Donnell, understandably, is very wary of charismatic gatherings.    hence, the reason why students had to/still have to? go off campus to hold prayer meetings. [/quote]
As I said, I will not go any more into this subject do to the private nature of the discussions I have ben involved in. I'm not going to speak for Dr. Marshner on a public forum, based on information gathered in a private discussion. I will only say this, I have discussed it with him. I am also well aware of what goes on at Christendom. My previous post was based on what I have observed and discussed.

Edited January 10, 2005 by popestpiusx

[Socrates]

[quote name='cathqat' date='Jan 8 2005, 11:15 PM'] I can assure you that it most certainly has been. I will not provide names or dates, for the sake of the innocent, but I know several Eastern Catholics who were treated [i]horrifically[/i] by so-called "Thomists" at Christendom.

I'm glad to hear that's stopped. [/quote]
I am an alumnus of Christendom College, as have my brother and sister, and have family who are faculty there.

I can assure you, Christendom College is [i][b]not[/b][/i] an any way against Eastern Catholics! As popestpiusx mentioned, we have Eastern Rite faculty members and students (as well as charismatic and Traditionalist students). A former president was a Ukrainian Catholic! The liturgy on campus is a very "traditional" "Novus Ordo," but students are free to go to other liturgies off campus if they so desire.

I don't know anything about the charismatic prayer-group issue, but I do know the college is very careful about approving official college religious organizations. One must be careful not to spread rumors without actually knowing all the facts.

I have [b]never[/b] in my years at Christendom heard anything taught against any Eastern Rite Catholics, nor was aware of any general prejudice against them.

I do not know what cathqat is talking about. Itwas either the actions of some bigoted individuals, or the issue was really something other than Eastern Rite Catholicism. Whatever this "horrific" treatment was, it had nothing to do with Christendom's official policies, and these individuals did not represent the student body as a whole.

Please do not throw around rumors when you do not know all the facts. This leads to ignorant scandal, and has no place on a Catholic forum!