Apotheoun Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 [quote name='cathqat' date='Jan 4 2005, 12:37 AM'] I love St. Mary's. But I used to attend St. Joseph's too. [/quote] I've gotten used to things at St. Mary's, plus there are lots of students from FUS that go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 4 2005, 02:59 AM'] I've gotten used to things at St. Mary's, plus there are lots of students from FUS that go there. [/quote] That's good news. When I was at FUS, lots of people thought I was a nut-job going to a non-Catholic church. Ignorance of the Eastern churches was rampant, and some of the profs didn't make things any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 [quote name='cathqat' date='Jan 4 2005, 01:06 AM'] That's good news. When I was at FUS, lots of people thought I was a nut-job going to a non-Catholic church. Ignorance of the Eastern churches was rampant, and some of the profs didn't make things any better. [/quote] Ignorance of the Eastern Churches continues to be a problem, and there are some students not open to an Eastern Christian perspective in theology, but I persist in promoting it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Todd, thats very disheartening to hear. I would have thought that at a place like FUS people would have a better understanding of the whole, [i]universal[/i], catholic church and not simply their single Rite...I may not be an Eastern Catholic, but that does not mean that I cannot acknowledge the tremendous contribution to the Faith that such a tradition has made, and continues to make... - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader_4 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I love the eastern Charism and i think often it gives a good balance to the western view and theology. Often in the west we are almost too logical and rigid in a lot of ways, (not always a bad thing just our nature in devolping theology) and in the east they are very mystical so i think both of these valid perspectives bring a certain level of balance in the Universal Catholic Church. I like how JP II describes them as two lungs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Jan 4 2005, 09:51 PM'] I would have thought that at a place like FUS people would have a better understanding of the whole, [i]universal[/i], catholic church and not simply their single Rite... [/quote] When I was there, the chief problem was that most of the Latin Church kids had [i]never even heard[/i] of the Eastern Catholic Churches. Upon hearing of them, the kids decided that they could not possibly be "really Catholic." If you showed the kids that they are "really Catholic," the kids still viewed them with suspicion, as if they were somehow "lesser" than the Latin Church. Many of the kids refused to attend Sunday liturgies at an Eastern church because "I wouldn't feel like I'd fulfilled my Sunday obligation." Ignorance is rampant, not just at FUS, but everywhere. To make matters worse, I took an FUS class on Eastern Orthodoxy that was being offered, and it seemed that I knew more about Orthodoxy than the professor. He spent more than one month of the class on "Why it is wrong for the Orthodox Churches to have a married priesthood." When I pointed out what the Code of Canons for the Eastern Churches [canon law for the Eastern Catholic Churches] says, he said "Oh, that's an [i]exception[/i]." Well, no, it isn't. It is what canon law itself provides, not an "exception" to the law. My Orthodox friends and I used to have some interesting fuming sessions over that class. I sincerely hope that things are changing now. It has been a real problem in the past. I once told my friends who were training to become catechists that they really needed to [i]tell[/i] their students about the Eastern Catholic Churches. Unfortunately, the reply was often "No, I'm only going to tell them about the Latin Church. I don't want to confuse them." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Well I am curious when did these reforms of life teen occur? I askbecause the news of reform does not seem to have made it down to Houston or at least it hadn't 3 months ago. I find 0illicit pratices gravely disturbing but whle I have witnessed many such practices in lifeteen they have not been the most abusive by far. Still I am curious as to when these reforms went into effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Jan 5 2005, 03:55 PM'] Well I am curious when did these reforms of life teen occur? I askbecause the news of reform does not seem to have made it down to Houston or at least it hadn't 3 months ago. I find 0illicit pratices gravely disturbing but whle I have witnessed many such practices in lifeteen they have not been the most abusive by far. Still I am curious as to when these reforms went into effect. [/quote] Follow the links I provided (above) to the Life Teen website: [url="http://www.lifeteen.org/girm1.asp"]Life Teen Leaders Meet with Cardinal Arinze[/url] [url="http://www.lifeteen.org/girm2.asp"]Q&A About Conforming Life Teen to the GIRM[/url] [url="http://www.lifeteen.org/Girm3.asp"]Life Teen Press Release on Conforming to the GIRM[/url] I used to be very disturbed by LT's illicit practices too, and I am very glad they will be conforming to the GIRM. I also agree that theirs are not the worst illicit practices I've seen. I have unfortunately witnessed far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 [quote name='cathqat' date='Jan 5 2005, 05:25 AM'] When I was there, the chief problem was that most of the Latin Church kids had [i]never even heard[/i] of the Eastern Catholic Churches. Upon hearing of them, the kids decided that they could not possibly be "really Catholic." If you showed the kids that they are "really Catholic," the kids still viewed them with suspicion, as if they were somehow "lesser" than the Latin Church. Many of the kids refused to attend Sunday liturgies at an Eastern church because "I wouldn't feel like I'd fulfilled my Sunday obligation." Ignorance is rampant, not just at FUS, but everywhere. To make matters worse, I took an FUS class on Eastern Orthodoxy that was being offered, and it seemed that I knew more about Orthodoxy than the professor. He spent more than one month of the class on "Why it is wrong for the Orthodox Churches to have a married priesthood." When I pointed out what the Code of Canons for the Eastern Churches [canon law for the Eastern Catholic Churches] says, he said "Oh, that's an [i]exception[/i]." Well, no, it isn't. It is what canon law itself provides, not an "exception" to the law. My Orthodox friends and I used to have some interesting fuming sessions over that class. I sincerely hope that things are changing now. It has been a real problem in the past. I once told my friends who were training to become catechists that they really needed to [i]tell[/i] their students about the Eastern Catholic Churches. Unfortunately, the reply was often "No, I'm only going to tell them about the Latin Church. I don't want to confuse them." [/quote] I have noticed that students who are focused more on the Church Fathers tend to be open to an Eastern theological perspective, while those that prefer medieval Scholasticism tend to be opposed to it. Most of my professors on the other hand have been open to a Byzantine approach in theology, and one has even agreed to coordinate my "Theological Issues" class on Palamism, which I'm planning to take during my last semester at the university. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 5 2005, 08:28 PM'] Most of my professors on the other hand have been open to a Byzantine approach in theology, and one has even agreed to coordinate my "Theological Issues" class on Palamism, which I'm planning to take during my last semester at the university. [/quote] Terrific! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 [quote name='cathqat' date='Jan 5 2005, 07:06 PM'] Terrific! [/quote] If you ever get to visit the Russian Cathedral in San Francisco, I suggest that you also go to the Russian Bakery that's a couple of blocks away, in order to get some of their peroshkis. They are quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 5 2005, 08:28 PM'] I have noticed that students who are focused more on the Church Fathers tend to be open to an Eastern theological perspective, while those that prefer medieval Scholasticism tend to be opposed to it. Most of my professors on the other hand have been open to a Byzantine approach in theology, and one has even agreed to coordinate my "Theological Issues" class on Palamism, which I'm planning to take during my last semester at the university. [/quote] hahaha, whoah there tiger, Anselm is favorite, and I'm big into the rest of medieval scholasticism, but I love the Eastern perspective (and the Early Church Fathers) as well. It's not an either or thing, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it Also, on a serious note, cathqat, I am planning on teaching CCD and Confirmation classes at my school parish this upcoming year, and (hopefully) will be teaching RCIA and catechumens once I've had deeper theological training, and I do plan to teach students about the beauty of the other Rites and Divine Liturgies. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Jan 7 2005, 08:34 AM'] hahaha, whoah there tiger, Anselm is favorite, and I'm big into the rest of medieval scholasticism, but I love the Eastern perspective (and the Early Church Fathers) as well. It's not an either or thing, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it [/quote] Of course I was only providing a personal observation based on my own experience here at FUS. The more Thomist a student tends to be, at least here at FUS, the less open he is to Eastern Christian theological ideas. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted January 7, 2005 Share Posted January 7, 2005 Just wait 'till I get there to earn my Masters...I'll have a word with all those nasty Thomist brothers and sisters of mine - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 7 2005, 04:10 PM'] The more Thomist a student tends to be, at least here at FUS, the less open he is to Eastern Christian theological ideas. [/quote] Not just at FUS. The same has gone on at other schools, like Christendom, too. Of course, the "Thomists" I'm thinking of often lacked Thomas' own humble spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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