Charismatic Catholics viewed as nonorthodox?

[Paladin D]

I don't claim to be a charismatic Catholic, but I'm just curious as to why? I've noticed in the past (and today) that the charismatic movement is viewed upon as something "gravely Protestant influenced" apostasy within the Church. Why?

[url="http://web.archive.org/web/20030219224902/http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ284.HTM"]Recent Popes' and Bishops' Statements Concerning the Catholic Charismatic Renewal[/url]

About the speaking of tongues bit: [url="http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ34.HTM"]Different Kinds of Tongues: A Biblical and Linguistic Defense[/url]

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[Paladin D]

Blah, it should've read [b]"unorthodox"[/b], not [b]"nonorthodox"[/b].

[Ianny01]

Not all Charismatic Catholics are unorthodox. Those that adhere to the Church in all of the Church's teachings on morality, theology, and correct practice are orthodox. However, there are many charismatic Catholics who use, at many times, incorrect theology or practice drawn from a Protestant group.
Hope this somewhat helps!

Sincerely,
Ianny01

[Brother Adam]

The Renewal was started through a group of college students who were influenced by Protestant Pentacostals.

But as Ianny said, not all of them are unorthodox.

[conservativecatholic]

One can view the definition of orthodoxy in numerous ways. Accroding to the definition on Merriam-Webster Online, charismatic Catholics are indeed orthodox when it comes to conforming to established religious doctrine. Although the charismatic wing of the church is in full accordance with Rome, the fact that it does not worshop in a conservative/traditional manner is blatant.

So, they are both orthodox and unorthodox.

Edited December 31, 2004 by conservativecatholic

[Phatmasser777]

They're weird :S. Arms flaying around, yelling all the time, weird stuff imo :S

[Tink]

Hello, forgive me if this sounds naive and/or is in the wrong place, but is it possible to pray for charismatic gifts, such as speaking in tongues, etc.? I've had this inexplicable desire to pray, that I might receive such a gift. Yet certain gifts fall upon certain people, as aptly mentioned previously. What do you think?

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[Paladin D]

Blah double post.

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[Paladin D]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Dec 31 2004, 09:07 AM'] The Renewal was started through a group of college students who were influenced by Protestant Pentacostals.

But as Ianny said, not all of them are unorthodox. [/quote]
Though if the renewal was dangerous to the Church, wouldn't the bishops or the Pope address it?

Not saying you're lying at all, is it really that easy for a group of college students to start something like that?

[Tink]

This is true. One would think that a renewal or movement of such impact would be addressed by Rome if it were a danger...

[M.SIGGA]

It's seems all the new movements in the Church, even though approved and supported by the Holy See, are viewed as unorthodox or wrong to some degree - CL, Opus Dei, Regnum Christi, Charismatic Renewal, etc, even those who want to make the licit Latin Mass more available. Because we all make up the Body of Christ this doesn't make sense. This post should would be better titled, "What could I do as a faithful Catholic to help build up my fellow Charismatic Catholics?" instead of tearing them down as a Protestant offshoot or those wierd Catholic people who need a lesson on respect. For the record I don't think the abuses at Charismatic Masses are all that different from abuses you might find at regular parishes. It's much too easy to tear each other down and call each other unorthodox so we should only strive to build the Church up!

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[Paladin D]

[quote name='M.SIGGA' date='Dec 31 2004, 05:09 PM'] It's seems all the new movements in the Church, even though approved and supported by the Holy See, are viewed as unorthodox or wrong to some degree - CL, Opus Dei, Regnum Christi, Charismatic Renewal, etc, even those who want to make the licit Latin Mass more available. Because we all make up the Body of Christ this doesn't make sense. This post should would be better titled, "What could I do as a faithful Catholic to help build up my fellow Charismatic Catholics?" instead of tearing them down as a Protestant offshoot or those wierd Catholic people who need a lesson on respect. For the record I don't think the abuses at Charismatic Masses are all that different from abuses you might find at regular parishes. It's much too easy to tear each other down and call each other unorthodox so we should only strive to build the Church up! [/quote]
Exactly! The reason for the title was not to critize the movement, I have no problem with the Charismatic movement at all. I also indeed find it interesting how some devout Catholics pledge complete loyality to the Church, yet are skeptical towards the Charismatic movement which has been given praise by some Popes and bishops.

Everything can be abused, is the Novus Ordo (typo?) unorthodox because of it?

[Sinner]

[quote]It's seems all the new movements in the Church, even though approved and supported by the Holy See, are viewed as unorthodox or wrong to some degree - CL, Opus Dei, Regnum Christi, Charismatic Renewal, etc,[/quote]

I do not know much about the groups listed other than Opus Dei. But regarding Opus Dei, it is ecclesiastically different from the other groups as it is recognized as a "personal prelature" of the Catholic Church. [b]You state Opus Dei is viewed an unorthodox or wrong????? By Whom?? And how can this be supported if the Pope and the Magisterium have approved it???[/b]

Personal prelatures are clearly different from religious institutes and the consecrated life in general, as well as from associations and movements of the faithful. A personal Prelature is a jurisdictional entity within the Church's hierarchical structure, presided over by a prelate, answerable to the Sacred Congregation of Bishops, and to which laity and clergy can belong. It is established by the Holy See for specific pastoral or organizational purposes, and it is governed by statutes given it by the Holy See.

Opus Dei has sometimes been misunderstood. This criticism has sometimes been directed at Opus Dei because of its strong faithfulness to the Pope, the bishops and the Catholic faith.

[cathqat]

Sinner, if I'm not mistaken, the point was that all "new" movements go through a period in which they are suspected of heterodoxy, even if there's nothing wrong with them.

There are many Catholics who have been (or still are) suspicious of Opus Dei, just like there are many Catholics who are suspicious of the Catholic charismatic movement.

It may not be right, it may not be fair, but the point is that people often fear things that are new.

[Q the Ninja]

I think Opus Dei may be called into question by people, and I do disagree with some things that go on, but that's not actually Opus Dei itself I don't like. I think it's great.