The Evils of Homosexuality

[track2004]

Ok so I don't really know why I am posting now out of all the threads about homosexuality that are on the phorum. Anyway...

I highly doubt anyone who came into this "discussion" with an idea whether homosexuality is right or wrong will get their mind changed. It seems to happen a lot on the phorum an "discussion" where neither side would ever consider the other side to hold any truth.

The death penalty (how this came up I'm still confused about) is too expensive and the US jails are too nice.

Taxes should be spent on AIDS because it's something that affects tax-payers and not only homosexuals get the disease. If they hadn't done something about it in the 80's most of my generation (college kids) would probably be dead by now (because of both the spread of AIDS among our parents and among ourselves - see Africa for an example).

And I'd personally appericiate it if maybe you all could be a little more charitable towards how you talk about homosexuals. I don't know if I'm reading this into the post, but some have an overly vindictive air about them. Catholicism is about hating the sin and [i]not[/i] the sinner. No matter how much sinner is definded by his/her sin.

Ok I'm done. Off to bed.

[cmotherofpirl]

Truth is not relative.

People who get uncharitable get edited and deleted and warned.

[cathqat]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Jan 3 2005, 03:14 AM'] from a Catholic perspective, St. Joseph works pretty well (personal experience talking here) [/quote]
OK, by "mentoring" I did mean someone who is physically present, but I'm sure St. Joseph helps too.

[cathqat]

[quote name='track2004' date='Jan 3 2005, 03:46 AM'] And I'd personally appericiate it if maybe you all could be a little more charitable towards how you talk about homosexuals. I don't know if I'm reading this into the post, but some have an overly vindictive air about them. Catholicism is about hating the sin and [i]not[/i] the sinner. No matter how much sinner is definded by his/her sin.
[/quote]
Did you miss the whole discussion of why we should never use derogatory epithets like the f-word?

[cmotherofpirl]

or notice that such stuff was deleted and the poster was warned?

[Monoxide]

I must restate what a person suffering same sex attraction is. The person who suffers this disease is not a homosexual. They are a victim. The person who practices and indulges is the essence of the the Homosexual. The Homosexual is the manifestation of evil intentions and desires. It is the homesexual that needs to be quelled in a man. If you eradicate the presence of the homosexual, the man becomes a man.

[cmotherofpirl]

Cut out this essence stuff. :angry:
No matter what we do we are children of GOD.

Sin is sin is sin.

[hyperdulia again]

monoxide you are in error, if hi ere any other topic, someone would have told you so by now. you are wrong-headed, slightly frightening, and ojectively heretical.

[Monoxide]

How am i heretical? I am not promoting violance against the homosexual? Im saying we need to put a stop to the Homosexual in society, the active homosexual.

[hyperdulia again]

"hi ere"

should say "this were"

[james]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 3 2005, 04:22 AM ']Truth is not relative.[/quote]




[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 3 2005, 09:58 PM']
Sin is sin is sin. [/quote]



Truth is not relative, but sin [i]is[/i] relative.

Edited January 4, 2005 by james

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Monoxide' date='Jan 4 2005, 04:30 AM'] How am i heretical? I am not promoting violance against the homosexual? Im saying we need to put a stop to the Homosexual in society, the active homosexual. [/quote]
Just as we need to put a stop to ALL sin.

But you keep implying that the homosexual[i] becomes[/i] a sin, instead of committing a sin. You keep implying a homosexual is less than human.

That is simply wrong.

[Good Friday]

First, I must [i]strongly object[/i] to the references to homosexuality as a disease. The assertion that it is a disease has not been medically proven, and the language of "disease" is not used in any of the Church's documents pertaining to homosexuality. The tendency to call homosexuality a disease is rooted in American Protestantism, which has bled over into the (once again, American) Catholic Medical Association, which has no authority within the Church whatsoever and which utilizes unorthodox scientific and medical procedures to reach the conclusions that it has reached (i.e., that homosexuality is a disease). Catholics should not be making use of this very Protestant, very flawed terminology. Catholics who want to oppose homosexual behavior can do so using the official language of the Church -- homosexuality is, according to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "objectively disordered" (that does not mean diseased), and homosexual behavior is, again according to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "intrinsically evil." Catholics should limit themselves to that language when referring to homosexuality unless they have [i]conclusive[/i] medical evidence that homosexuality is actually a disease. In the absence of medical evidence, referring to homosexuality as a disease is indeed bigotry.

Second: Bro. Adam, I realize that you have not been a convert from the Baptist Church for long, but please try to remember that you are a Catholic and not a Baptist. Catholics help AIDS patients, regardless of how they got the AIDS. It is not a Christian, let alone Catholic, attitude to deny help to AIDS patients because they allegedly [i]brought it upon themselves[/i] -- the compassion of Christ compels us to help the sick, and the forgiveness of Christ compels us to help them even when their sin has brought the sickness upon them. I have not heard many Catholics say that we should not help AIDS patients because they brought it upon themselves, or that AIDS patients deserve their disease because they brought it upon themselves; however, I have heard such statements from the mouths of many a conservative or evangelical Protestant, and especially from the mouths of Baptists. Perhaps you should reevaluate from whence you derived your attitude toward those who are afflicted with AIDS -- from Catholicism, or from leftovers of your past involvement with sinful, schismatic, heretical, and bigoted evangelical Protestantism. If it is the latter, you should perhaps abandon it, since nothing good has ever been demonstrated to have come from evangelical Protestantism.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Good Friday' date='Jan 4 2005, 10:27 PM'] ... since nothing good has ever been demonstrated to have come from evangelical Protestantism. [/quote]
hmmmm.... :thinking:

[Socrates]

Homosexuality is a disease. Not necessarily a physical disease (though it certainly helps to spread these) but a psychological, moral, and spiritual disease. This is the same as saying "intrinsically disordered." A disorder is the same as a disease. It's just a matter of using different words. How is saying "disease" more bigoted (as having a disease is not necessarily one's own fault)?

We must remember that a moral disorder is infinitely worse than a physical disease, as a physical disease harms the body, but not the soul!

Catholic Church teaching has never been "tolerant" of homosexuals. As to the evil and immorality of homosexuality, the Evangelical Protestants that teach this are in complete agreement with the Church, as this sin is firmly condemned in both the Bible and the Magisterium of the Church. Those who deny the intrinsic evilness and sinfulness of homosexuality are not truly Catholic, but are heretics.

For sins of unnatural lust, God destroyed Sodom and Gommorrah. Homosexuality was firmly condemned by Mosaic Law. St. Paul said homosexuals (the "effeminate") cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

And while Evangelical Protestantism, of course, is flawed in not accepting the authority of the Church, I must say much more good has come out of it than of liberalism and the homsexualist agenda. So who's a bigot?