cmotherofpirl Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 [quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Jan 3 2005, 12:53 AM'] I dont think I KNOW. Philosphy has no place in science, since science is fact philosphy is theory (not the same as the Scientific Theory!) [/quote] lol Everyone has a worldview that shapes their view of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Phatmasser777, get yourself a copy of [i]Science, Faith, and Society[/i] by Michael Polanyi. A chemist and author of over 200 scientific papers, he turned in later life to philosophy. This 1946 collection of essays thoroughly dispels the absurd fable that scientific enquiry can exist without philosophical presuppositions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 [quote name='Pio Nono' date='Jan 3 2005, 04:20 AM'] JMJ 1/3 - Second Monday of Christmastide Are you going to construct an argument for your assertion, or are you just going to take a shotgun to the argument? If you want to be taken seriously here, show me your argument. Otherwise, shut it. [/quote] You (I) dont need an arguement, its basic knowledge about science and philosphy. Science is the search for FACTS and Evidence. Philosphy is the search for meaning in life and experiences in life through thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 3 2005, 04:52 AM'] lol Everyone has a worldview that shapes their view of reality. [/quote] Is that a backslap put-down? Not very charitable. One more sin to add to your collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 [quote name='cathqat' date='Jan 3 2005, 05:15 AM'] Phatmasser777, get yourself a copy of [i]Science, Faith, and Society[/i] by Michael Polanyi. A chemist and author of over 200 scientific papers, he turned in later life to philosophy. This 1946 collection of essays thoroughly dispels the absurd fable that scientific enquiry can exist without philosophical presuppositions. [/quote] 1891-1976. Science has come a long, long way since then. Personally I prefer Edward Wittens, I think thats his name, Professor at Advanded Study Institute in the US. [url="http://www.sns.ias.edu/~witten/"]http://www.sns.ias.edu/~witten/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pio Nono Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 [quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Jan 3 2005, 06:39 AM'] You (I) dont need an arguement, its basic knowledge about science and philosphy. Science is the search for FACTS and Evidence. Philosphy is the search for meaning in life and experiences in life through thought. [/quote] JMJ 1/3 - Second Monday of Christmastide I'm withdrawing from arguing with you - you obviously have no intention of taking this seriously. I'm offering you the chance to defend your position with a coherent argument, and all you come back with is, "Nuh-uh!" I'm not wasting my time anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 [quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Jan 3 2005, 06:43 AM'] 1891-1976. Science has come a long, long way since then. [/quote] Science has not, however, abandoned its reliance on philosophical presuppositions. The 18th century notion that science could be purely objective has long since been discredited. It is impossible to do science without philosophical presuppositions. Every scientist has them. The smart ones are actually aware of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 As I stated in the other thread, PioNono, Phatmasser777 is not hear to help. He only causes a disturbance. As a scientist (forensic toxicologist), I offer the following testimony: Science relies upon philosophy. It is in no way and cannot be construed in any way to exist separate from philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 Forensic toxicologist. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Posted January 3, 2005 Share Posted January 3, 2005 I like it. Also, I am well aware that I used the wrong word in my above post. Hear instead of here. [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/EldricIV/Nazi.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted January 3, 2005 Author Share Posted January 3, 2005 Agian science IS a philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 [quote name='Benedict' date='Jan 3 2005, 05:11 PM'] As I stated in the other thread, PioNono, Phatmasser777 is not hear to help. He only causes a disturbance. As a scientist (forensic toxicologist), I offer the following testimony: Science relies upon philosophy. It is in no way and cannot be construed in any way to exist separate from philosophy. [/quote] Go eat a brick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 Science does NOT need or require Philosphy. Simple as that. Nor Religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted January 4, 2005 Author Share Posted January 4, 2005 Science IS a philosophy, if you understood either one you wouldn't be having this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Posted January 4, 2005 Share Posted January 4, 2005 [quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Jan 4 2005, 04:33 AM'] Go eat a brick. [/quote] I had a rather heavy and distasteful fruit cake for dessert. [quote]Science does NOT need or require Philosphy. Simple as that. Nor Religion. [/quote] As an expert witness, I have already countered this assertion (and, truly, you have offered absolutely nothing beyond the mere assertion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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