Q the Ninja Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 War was in God's dictionary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Not in Christs. He spoke against violence all the time, and even made actions against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 (edited) Unless you're a tri-theist or an Arianist, it'd be in both Christ's and God's. Edited December 31, 2004 by Q the Ninja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save ferris 101 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 31 2004, 03:51 AM'] So what? any nation which murders it's own children doesn't desearve to continue in existance. Agian so what? this is an extremly weak arguement, the continued existance of any nation doesn't have any moral wieght. Okay. taken with in the realm of proportionality this is not really problem, some things are worth fighting for. This is an oxymoronic from the get go, the most important thing in the world is certianly not the same as "anything I want". Well sense our contitution was evil from the beginning and has been turned progressively more evil, I agian don't see this as a terribly compeling arguement. What does this have to do with anything, the pharmisist in question arn't murdering anyone are they? Wow you really really concern me-- unless it is effecting you you shouldn't do anything that is one of the most evil attitudes I have ever heard of. If someone where trying to murder me I would hope others wouldn't just walk on by because it didn't " affect" them. that is such an unremmitingly evil statement I can't imagine you even said it. if abortion las t another 50 years in this country and there has not already been a civil war over it, then we will have all earned our place in the deepest circle of Hell. [/quote] Why doesn't it deserve to continue it's existence? Because it has a bad law? Then you are saying that a majority of the world's nations don't deserve to even exist just because they all allow abortion. That is not logical, or supported by church teaching. And yes, the continued existence of a nation does have moral weight. The church calls us to be good citizens, and to make our nation a better place. I don't see how irrevocably and utterly destroying it will make anything better, or make the other side change their views in the least. All it will do will create a huge rift between the two sides, and we will be fighting for forever like the Israelis and Palestinians. I did not mean what you want, and obviously you do want this, so that was what I was talking about How was our constitution evil from the beginning? Evil just because it didn't turn us into a completely Christian nation, where only our views and values would be tolerated? Oh, so you mean like Iran, but Christian. How nice. And you seem to think that this nation is just the evilest thing in the world. I hate to have to inform you of this, but its a heck of a lot better than any other country. No nation is perfect, but yet you seem to think that only Christians should be running this country, and that nobody else's opinion matters or counts. You also seem to think that just because there are people who disagree with you, and that there are laws passed that you don't agree with, that that nation is evil. That is just completely false. And I said unless it was affecting you, you shouldn't go to war, because war should be the last last step. I never said we shouldn't do anything. Thank you, but I have been to many a protest against abortion. And thanks for calling myself evil, glad to know that everything you say is prone to exaggeration. and yes, we are all going to go to hell because we didn't kill our fellow American's, destroy our country, its economy, the very articles by which it was founded, and in the process harm those of all the other countries in the world. I'm glad I have you here to tell me that I'm going to hell, glad I don't have to wait for God to make that decision. So go ahead, go and start one of the greatest and deadliest religious crusades that there has ever been. And when it's over, and when the abortionists still don't want to change sides, and when the country is totally split, at least YOU know you'll be going to heavent and that you helped out so so so many people. Have fun with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatmasser777 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 [quote name='Q the Ninja' date='Dec 31 2004, 12:13 PM'] Unless you're a tri-theist or an Arianist, it'd be in both Christ's and God's. [/quote] .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 You cannot separate God's words and Christ's words. They are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 [quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 31 2004, 12:06 PM'] Christ was the ultimate pacifist. War wasnt in his 'dictionary'. However it still crept into Church teaching. Btw would the war including pipe bombing, and shooting up doctors? Hmm u kno that sounds like terrorism [/quote] Christ' Teaching and the Teaching of the Church are inseperable, for the Keys are in the Church and have never left. I agree though that Christ is the ultimate pacifist, because he is not one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Christ's apostles owned swords at his command and he once fashioned a whip against his enemies. sound like a pacifist to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Christ wasn't a Pacifist, God isn't a Pacifist either - however, Christ certainly was very very selective in his use of force. That much is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
save ferris 101 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 [quote name='Aluigi' date='Dec 31 2004, 02:17 PM'] Christ's apostles owned swords at his command and he once fashioned a whip against his enemies. sound like a pacifist to you? [/quote] So, there are lots of pacifists now-a-days who own guns. Doesn't mean they own them so they can kill people whenever they feel like it. And Christ never killed anyone. So I would say that he wasn't a true pacifist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 [quote name='Aluigi' date='Dec 31 2004, 02:17 PM'] Christ's apostles owned swords at his command and he once fashioned a whip against his enemies. sound like a pacifist to you? [/quote] LoL, you're agreeing with James, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 we don't know for certain that Christ never killed anyone. He is God and God has killed and ordered the killing of many. don't live by the sword, but don't abandon it either. no reason to order His apostles to get swords if they were to never ever use them. self-defense, protection of the innocent, et cetera. that means he wasn't pacifists, pacifism means no violence. Jesus believed in violene when necessary. Jesus was no pacifist. and I could see Jesus killing someone possibly if the situation arose. if Mary was ever in danger, I have no doubt he would have justly defended her by any means necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 LoL, James said He wasn't a passivist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 p777 said he was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 LoL, yes. That's why I was asking if you were agreeing with Theoketos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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