George W. Bush: Champion of “Gay Rights”

[rufiokicks]

Don't you get a civil union when you get married though? It's just legal rights. It's not even limited to homosexual couples. If my parents were divorced, my dad could get a civil union with say, my aunt or uncle, in case everything falls through. Marriage shouldn't be controlled by the government, but civil union is a totally different matter.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 31 2004, 12:44 PM'] hey they claim what they do is NORMAL! Why not! [/quote]
What do you mean?

[Guest JeffCR07]

It is true that a civil union is substantially different than a marriage, however, it should still never be allowed.

Living in a democracy, we all play a part in the government of our nation, and, as such, we are all in material cooperation for the sins thereof. The question, then, is culpability, and the key to that question is whether or not we are doing everything we can to prevent sin from occuring.

Cain asked God "Am I my brother's keeper?" and Christ answered with a resounding "Yes."

Civil Marriages (as they relate to the issue of homosexuality) will condone and support sinfulness. As such, we must do everything we can to stop it, lest on Judgement Day we will have no answer to Christ when he asks us "And what of your brother?"

- Your Brother In Christ, Jeff

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='thedude' date='Jan 11 2005, 07:57 PM'] What do you mean? [/quote]
Sarcastic remark at how gays always seem to jump the gun on matters pertaining to so-called 'rights'.

[P3chrmd]

Mr. Bush has specifically said that he is AGAINST Gay Marriage....

It remains as it should be...between a man and a woman...

please don't try to undermind us with this completley liberal propaganda stuff! Dosen't Work!

[Sammy Blaze]

[quote name='P3chrmd' date='Jan 14 2005, 12:17 AM']

please don't try to undermind us with this completley liberal propaganda stuff! Dosen't Work! [/quote]
You tell 'em,

Our President and the GOP fully support Christian values and morals

Ethics on the other hand........


sorry haha I had to, try not to get too mad at me
much love P3

Pax
~S.

[P3chrmd]

lol thats ok...

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='cooltuba' date='Dec 28 2004, 04:30 PM'] Sorry. I was referring to James. I didn't want to quote his post for such a short reply. My point was that I don't know if gay couples should get equal rights, but a civil union is completely different from marriage and supporting it is not (to me) nessesarily wrong.

*edit* Also, the part of his post I was referring to was the part where it says Bush adopted Kerry's policy on the matter, which is wrong. Kerry supported gay marriage. [/quote]
I don't know whose propaganda you've been reading, but Kerry most definitely did [b]not[/b] support gay marriage.

I fear for the sanity of whoever wrote that article.

[Guest Eremite]

Burns,

Why did you pull this 2 month old thread up?

[Norseman82]

I remember when Vermont instituted civil unions and it was controversial. I'm wondering if the push for gay marriage was a ploy to make civil unions acceptable.

Either way - gay marriage or civil unions - they're both morally wrong.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='rufiokicks' date='Jan 11 2005, 07:41 PM'] If my parents were divorced, my dad could get a civil union with say, my aunt or uncle, in case everything falls through. [/quote]
But your dad would not be entering into a sexual union with your aunt or uncle, though, correct?

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='Eremite' date='Mar 9 2005, 04:18 PM'] Burns,

Why did you pull this 2 month old thread up? [/quote]
What discussions are considered closed after two months?

Actually, I was searching for another thread and this one popped up. I felt the desire to respond.

Why are you asking questions like this instead of contributing to the discussion?

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='rufiokicks' date='Jan 11 2005, 07:41 PM'] Don't you get a civil union when you get married though? [/quote]
No, that's a civil marriage. A civil union is only allowed for homosexuals in Vermont.

[quote]It's just legal rights. It's not even limited to homosexual couples. If my parents were divorced, my dad could get a civil union with say, my aunt or uncle, in case everything falls through. Marriage shouldn't be controlled by the government, but civil union is a totally different matter.[/quote]

It is limited to homosexual couples. And you dad can't marry your aunt or get a civil union with your uncle (unless they're your mother's siblings). How that plays into this discussion is beyond me, though.

[burnsspivey]

[quote name='Norseman82' date='Mar 9 2005, 04:23 PM'] I remember when Vermont instituted civil unions and it was controversial. I'm wondering if the push for gay marriage was a ploy to make civil unions acceptable.

Either way - gay marriage or civil unions - they're both morally wrong. [/quote]
Um...[i]no[/i].

The push for marriage was exactly that. People want to get married (though [i]why[/i] is beyond me) so they fight for marriage equality.

They aren't asking you to approve morally, either.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='burnsspivey' date='Mar 9 2005, 04:33 PM'] Um...[i]no[/i].

The push for marriage was exactly that. People want to get married (though [i]why[/i] is beyond me) so they fight for marriage equality.

They aren't asking you to approve morally, either. [/quote]
The point I'm making is this. Previously, people (especially conservatives) were aghast at civil union. Now, many conservatives are opposing homosexual marriage and trying to cover themselves by saying "let them have civil unions".