The Constitution

[MC Just]

Why don't they just re-name it to"The Anything Goes Bill"?? Now a days everything seems to be constitutional.

Edited December 28, 2004 by MC Just

[lifeteenchick527]

iam so disappointed bc in some schools, well at least some schools in california, they wont let the kids read the constitution bc it has God in it! how unbelievebly rediculous is that!!! i was horrified when i heard about it! how can they take away something that is part of the history of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN AMERICAN SCHOOLS!!!! isnt that horrible!! it makes me madd this makes me sad too

God Bless
LTC

[Don John of Austria]

The constitution doesn't have God in it, you are thinking of the Declaration of Independence, the United States as instituted by the Constitution( not under the srticles of confederation) was and is an athiest State. Sctually that was a serious issue during the time when it was up for ratification.

[lifeteenchick527]

o maybe was the Declaration of Independence...but still!! thats our history and they arent aloud to bring it to school! i mean honestly how rediculous is that?

God Bless
LTC

[Don John of Austria]

It is the founding document of the nation, it is certianly absurd not to read it in a history of the Nation course.

[voiciblanche]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Dec 28 2004, 12:54 PM'] Why don't they just re-name it to"The Anything Goes Bill"?? Now a days everything seems to be constitutional. [/quote]
-sigh- Yeah.

If [i]we[/i] don't want it, it's constitutional.

If we do, it's "unconstitutional." I hate that term. Argh.

[Socrates]

Once upon a time, the American Constitution used to actually mean something.
It was a brilliant document wich kept the branches of government in check, and put a check on Federal Government power. However, from the twentieth century, (and to some degree, since Lincoln), the American government and activist judges have completely ignored or twisted the words of the constitution, and ammended it beyond recognition. This is a travesty.

Unfortunately, a piece of paper, no matter how wisely worded, cannot keep corrupt human beings from from changing or ignoring the law to suit their own purposes.

If our government did actually follow the Constitution (as orginally framed), we would have a much more just government.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote]If our government did actually follow the Constitution (as orginally framed), we would have a much more just government. [/quote]

The Constitution was never good, but certianly it was better as origionally framed than it is now, however, that incarnation on the constitution lasted only about 70 years. The War between the States finished off the founders ides of govenment.

[qfnol31]

The Constitution must be read in light of the Declaration of Independence. They are actually both founding documents of our current state [i]together[/i].

I still have never seen a good argument how the State wasn't originally "under God."

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 28 2004, 06:22 PM']
certianly it was better as origionally framed than it is now, however, that incarnation on the constitution lasted only about 70 years. The War between the States finished off the founders ides of govenment. [/quote]
So very true!

[Guest Aluigi]

the Irish constitution is better.

BUNREACHT NA hÉIREANN
In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,

We, the people of Éire,

Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,

Gratefully remembering their heroic and unremitting struggle to regain the rightful independence of our Nation,

And seeking to promote the common good, with due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity, so that the dignity and freedom of the individual may be assured, true social order attained, the unity of our country restored, and concord established with other nations,

Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this Constitution.

[geetarplayer]

I agree, people tend to take the elastic clause to an extreme...

-Mark

[save ferris 101]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Dec 28 2004, 03:41 PM'] Once upon a time, the American Constitution used to actually mean something.
It was a brilliant document wich kept the branches of government in check, and put a check on Federal Government power. However, from the twentieth century, (and to some degree, since Lincoln), the American government and activist judges have completely ignored or twisted the words of the constitution, and ammended it beyond recognition. This is a travesty.

Unfortunately, a piece of paper, no matter how wisely worded, cannot keep corrupt human beings from from changing or ignoring the law to suit their own purposes.

If our government did actually follow the Constitution (as orginally framed), we would have a much more just government. [/quote]
It still does mean something. Just because it is used against us, or something we believe in is unconstitutional, it doesn't make the constitution wrong. It is the greatest document in the world. You show me a better constitution. The reason that it is so good, and the reason you don't like it and the reason it is different than it was, is because it is so flexible. There were fights early on on how to interpret the constitution. Because of early rulings in the Supreme Court by the Head Judge Marshall, the Federalist's views of a flexible interpretation of the constitution won out. However, you are correct in saying that many judges completely go on a personal vendetta and/or distort what would be rational bounds of the constitution, and instead base their judgements using their own twisted opinion, ironically, the same thing that caused many members of congress to not allow some of President Bush's judicial nominees to be appointed. However, never, ever wish for us to be the way we were back in 1800. The two situations cannot be compared, it is illogical.

and to the person that said that the Irish constitution is better, it's because the country has an overwhelming majority of Catholics. Once again, two completely different situations, and you cannot compare them.

[Benedict]

He can compare them just fine. Just like I can compare a fuel-efficient Japanese car to a "guzzler" American SUV.