I was recently tempted to apostasize

[spathariossa]

Proof that Icthus is wrong:

One Church founded after the death of Christ in the 1st century AD

1054- Great Schism between Orthodoxy and Catholicism

16th century - Protestantism

Both Catholicism and Orthodoxy disagree with Icthus.

Therefore Protestantism isn't reforming errors to get back to the original Church of Christ, it is instead a new and particularly severe form of the iconoclast heresy.

Sorry Icthus, but you can't argue that Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, the Anabaptists, Henry VIII or anybody else succeeded in returning to the true and original church because the true and original church still exists.

Protestantism is one of the worst heresies in existence. Martin Luther himself wrote to the Orthodox church hoping to enlist their aid against Catholicism. The Orthodox considered his offer but in the end told him that the Catholics were far closer to the truth than he was.

Furthermore, a sola scriptura argument is completely nonsensical if your claim is to be reforming the Church and eliminating abuses and returning to the way God intended. Why? Because at the time of the original Church the Bible didn't exist. There were no scriptures as you know them until the 4th century. Instead, every Church had to decide for itself which books to use and which not to use. Also, the early church formed certain doctrines and traditions based on the teachings of the apostles, Christ, the Church fathers, and saints, independent of any scripture.

Therefore, to utilize a sola scriptura argument would be to deny the entirety of the original Church prior to the 4th century. Furthermore, Anglicanism was originally supposed to be a non-dogmatic split between the English church and the Catholic church. It was only through the influence of calvinist ministers of state that it morphed into something more protestant. It is about time we refer to protestants by their true and proper name - Iconoclasts.

[XIX]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Dec 31 2004, 05:02 PM'] This would be true if it were another individual, ICTHUS has a long history on Phatmass. He used to be Catholic, then was "converted" to Protestantism, and continues to misinterpret Church doctrine even though we've told him otherwise over and over and over and over.

The color is red, not pink, yet he continues to claim it's pink. [/quote]
I still say that some of us could afford to be a little more charitable. Either in word or in our hearts. We do not have much of a clue what it's like to be Icthus.

[spathariossa]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Dec 31 2004, 05:02 PM'] This would be true if it were another individual, ICTHUS has a long history on Phatmass. He used to be Catholic, then was "converted" to Protestantism, and continues to misinterpret Church doctrine even though we've told him otherwise over and over and over and over.

The color is red, not pink, yet he continues to claim it's pink. [/quote]
I'd say its closer to a magenta or perhaps a fuschia really...