ironmonk Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Arrogant... Self-Righteous... Pig... Jerk... My daddy can beat up your daddy... Sound familar? People will tend to spew such insults when they can't prove you wrong and have a serious issue with pride. Sometimes you ask questions that they're either to lazy to find the answers or just don't care. Some people love to hate more than they love the truth. Some people are bitter because they "can't be wrong" but cannot prove themselves right. See, some here have called me those names and it seems they just fail to realize that it's not me they're argueing with... it's the Catholic Church. I know the Catholic Church is right, because the Church has proved it time and time again. It's not me that is proving them wrong, it's the Catholic Church. I'm just a laymen that knows a little about the Church. If I don't know the answer, I know I can find it because there hasn't been a question that the Church hasn't had an answer for. Every answer I have found has been logical, historically accurate, and to be factual. So, to those that call me these names... I know it's not me your calling them... it's the situation of your own frustrations of being wrong. If you want to be right, just join the Church, and defend the Church with what the Church teaches... You'll never be wrong on Faith and Morals (as long as you are correct on the teaching of the Church)... because the Church cannot be wrong. God Bless and Happy New Year! ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 [quote name='ironmonk' date='Dec 27 2004, 05:45 PM'] Arrogant... Self-Righteous... Pig... Jerk... My daddy can beat up your daddy... Sound familar? People will tend to spew such insults when they can't prove you wrong and have a serious issue with pride. Sometimes you ask questions that they're either to lazy to find the answers or just don't care. Some people love to hate more than they love the truth. Some people are bitter because they "can't be wrong" but cannot prove themselves right. See, some here have called me those names and it seems they just fail to realize that it's not me they're argueing with... it's the Catholic Church. I know the Catholic Church is right, because the Church has proved it time and time again. It's not me that is proving them wrong, it's the Catholic Church. I'm just a laymen that knows a little about the Church. If I don't know the answer, I know I can find it because there hasn't been a question that the Church hasn't had an answer for. Every answer I have found has been logical, historically accurate, and to be factual. So, to those that call me these names... I know it's not me your calling them... it's the situation of your own frustrations of being wrong. If you want to be right, just join the Church, and defend the Church with what the Church teaches... You'll never be wrong on Faith and Morals (as long as you are correct on the teaching of the Church)... because the Church cannot be wrong. God Bless and Happy New Year! ironmonk [/quote] No, no, Ironmonk, the reason I called you what I did was that you presumed to judge me without ever knowing my heart. I tried to follow the Church of Rome. I tried to understand her teachings, but they simply did not add up. There is no 'understanding' which will allow me to abide things which are simply contrary to the Word of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted December 28, 2004 Author Share Posted December 28, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Dec 27 2004, 09:44 PM'] No, no, Ironmonk, the reason I called you what I did was that you presumed to judge me without ever knowing my heart. I tried to follow the Church of Rome. I tried to understand her teachings, but they simply did not add up. There is no 'understanding' which will allow me to abide things which are simply contrary to the Word of God. [/quote] No I didn't. It looks to me like you lied. That's not a judgement, that's an observation. The teachings add up perfectly. When you study from the likes of non-Catholics who get the teachings wrong, of course it's going to look as if they don't add up. I still do not believe you were ever Catholic. We know of the Word because of the Catholic Church. You have repeatedly attacked the Church with lies about the Church. Thank you for pushing more toward Catholicism. St. Augustine... City of God -Book 18 CHAPTER 51 -- THAT THE CATHOLIC FAITH MAY BE CONFIRMED EVEN BY THE DISSENSIONS OF THE HERETICS. [b]Council of Ephesus[/b] "Philip the presbyter and legate of the Apostolic See said: ‘There is no doubt, and in fact it has been known in all ages, that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, pillar of the faith, and foundation of the Catholic Church, received the keys of the kingdom from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Savior and Redeemer of the human race, and that to him was given the power of loosing and binding sins: who down even to today and forever both lives and judges in his successors. The holy and most blessed pope Celestine, according to due order, is his successor and holds his place, and us he sent to supply his place in this holy synod’" (Acts of the Council, session 3 [A.D. 431]). [b]Council of Chalcedon[/b] "After the reading of the foregoing epistle [The Tome of Leo], the most reverend bishops cried out: ‘This is the faith of the fathers! This is the faith of the apostles! So we all believe! Thus the orthodox believe! Anathema to him who does not thus believe! Peter has spoken thus through Leo! . . . This is the true faith! Those of us who are orthodox thus believe! This is the faith of the Fathers!’" (Acts of the Council, session 2 [A.D. 451]). [b]Irenaeus[/b] "As I said before, the Church, having received this preaching and this faith, although she is disseminated throughout the whole world, yet guarded it, as if she occupied but one house. She likewise believes these things just as if she had but one soul and one and the same heart; and harmoniously she proclaims them and teaches them and hands them down, as if she possessed but one mouth. For, while the languages of the world are diverse, nevertheless, the authority of the tradition is one and the same" (Against Heresies 1:10:2 [A.D. 189]). "That is why it is surely necessary to avoid them [heretics], while cherishing with the utmost diligence the things pertaining to the Church, and to lay hold of the tradition of truth. . . . What if the apostles had not in fact left writings to us? Would it not be necessary to follow the order of tradition, which was handed down to those to whom they entrusted the churches?" (ibid., 3:4:1). ... "It is possible, then, for everyone in every church, who may wish to know the truth, to contemplate the tradition of the apostles which has been made known throughout the whole world. And we are in a position to enumerate those who were instituted bishops by the apostles and their successors to our own times—men who neither knew nor taught anything like these heretics rave about. "But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. "With this church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree—that is, all the faithful in the whole world—and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition" (ibid., 3:3:1–2). [b]Origen[/b] "Although there are many who believe that they themselves hold to the teachings of Christ, there are yet some among them who think differently from their predecessors. The teaching of the Church has indeed been handed down through an order of succession from the apostles and remains in the churches even to the present time. That alone is to be believed as the truth which is in no way at variance with ecclesiastical and apostolic tradition" (The Fundamental Doctrines 1:2 [A.D. 225]). [b]Cyprian of Carthage[/b] "[T]he Church is one, and as she is one, cannot be both within and without. For if she is with Novatian, she was not with [Pope] Cornelius. But if she was with Cornelius, who succeeded the bishop Fabian by lawful ordination, and whom, beside the honor of the priesthood the Lord glorified also with martyrdom, Novatian is not in the Church; nor can he be reckoned as a bishop, who, succeeding to no one, and despising the evangelical and apostolic tradition, sprang from himself. For he who has not been ordained in the Church can neither have nor hold to the Church in any way" (Letters 75:3 [A.D. 253]). [b]John Chrysostom[/b] "[Paul commands,] ‘Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word or by our letter’ [2 Thess. 2:15]. From this it is clear that they did not hand down everything by letter, but there is much also that was not written. Like that which was written, the unwritten too is worthy of belief. So let us regard the tradition of the Church also as worthy of belief. Is it a tradition? Seek no further" (Homilies on Second Thessalonians [A.D. 402]). [i][color=blue]Every "reformation church" that came from the Catholic Church DID NOT hold fast to the traditions taught to them. They DID NOT remain loyal to the teachings of Christ. They did leave the group - Acts 20:29-30[/color][/i] God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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