homeschoolmom Posted December 25, 2004 Share Posted December 25, 2004 [quote name='thessalonian' date='Dec 25 2004, 02:19 PM'] I simply don't know what part of "teach all nations, BAPTIZING them..." is hard for your friend and his pastor to understand. [/quote] Yeah, me either... that's weird... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conservativecatholic Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Dec 24 2004, 11:42 PM'] I will ignore you ignorant comments about homeschooling because I can see from you other comments, you don't really understand what constitutes a fact and what constitutes an opinion. You are entitled to your opinions, however ignorant and misguided they are. [/quote] I'm afraid your comments are quite ridiculous. Send me multiple comments that I've made which supports your argument that I am incapable of understanding what constitutes a fact and opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 What the hell are you two fighting about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted December 27, 2004 Author Share Posted December 27, 2004 Yes ladies, please calm down. I think your both on the same side but with different experiences. Protestants don't seem to notice much, the wide disparity in their own practice or should I say, overlook it. But when Catholicism is the issue they seem to have problems with it. We do need to be careful about exaggerating and broad brushing about them as they do about us. It's easy to do. Now apologize and get along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 [quote name='thessalonian' date='Dec 26 2004, 10:55 PM'] Protestants don't seem to notice much, the wide disparity in their own practice or should I say, overlook it. [/quote] I agree that there is widespread differing practices among Protestants. That's why saying that "Protestants usually do this and such" or "Protestants believe this" is problematic for me. All I ask is that one be specific when speaking of Protestant practices. Why homeschooling was brought into the conversation (I didn't bring it in), I am not sure-- desperation? I dare say I know more about living in the "real world" than a high school student... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Dec 27 2004, 01:06 AM'] Why homeschooling was brought into the conversation (I didn't bring it in), I am not sure [/quote] I too was confused by this. I would be interested in seeing some justification of the statement (that I think has been edited since). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 [quote name='conservativecatholic' date='Dec 24 2004, 05:05 PM'] Third, I'm not homeschooled. I know what it's like to live in the real world. My community is predominantly Protestant. I have countless Protestant friends in my public highschool and a father who has been a Baptist for over 51 years. I know my facts. I do not live a sheltered life. [/quote] First of all.... wow. They didn't just say that... [i]did they[/i]? That was really rude and uninformed. The real world? The real world involves about 6 billion people, and yet you're calling homeschooling 'not in the real world'? Tell the other 99% of the world that live totally different lives than you that they're living in 'the fake world'. 'The real world' is something sarcastic and sardonic people made up to try to convince themselves that their egocentric values were justified. Homeschooling has been proven again and again to yield kids with higher morals and higher levels of intelligence. While it's not necessarily what a lot of us would choose, it is admirable and we should respect it and most certainly not mock it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted December 27, 2004 Author Share Posted December 27, 2004 (edited) Some of my kids are homeschooled as well and I do have to say that remark was somewhat offensive. It is a misconception that somehow homeschooled kids and there parents are all a bunch of people who remove themselves from society and become religious fanatics. By the way Conservative Catholic, the Minnapolis St. Paul area where HSM and I live is predominatly protestant as well. I might say however that you responded somewhat agressively and perhaps could have choosen some words a bit more carefully. Let's just calm down a bit and get back on topic. I am broad brushing a bit in my original post (which I hope this gets back to) but because the stations that I listen to almost daily include a wide array of protestantism from Lutheran to Baptist who have programs on it. The station focuses heavy on evangelization and one guy even goes out on Wednesdays on air and evangelizes at College campuses and malls. He never mentions baptism to any of them accept when they say they are baptized, to which he stomps all over it as being unimportant. And none of them speak of the importance of Baptism from one month to the next. I will say one thing. The people this street preacher runs in to are by and large very ignorant of Christianity for the most part. 80% of them (many are Catholic ) don't have a clue and they have been baptized. But I think the problem is the believe in eternal security which predominates this station. (not so much OSAS). If someone has not clue then they are not according to these people, and never were saved, so the conclusion, based on false supposition that one cannot fall away, leads them to believe that baptism did nothing. Edited December 27, 2004 by thessalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted December 27, 2004 Author Share Posted December 27, 2004 (edited) In having this conversation on another board, it occurs to me that a Protestant radio station will be somewhat influenced by a least common denomiator (denomiatoin) theology. They cannot condemn anyone's beliefs who raises them on their airwaves, but they may well pooh pooh them and dimish them. They will certainly avoid talking about them. Baptism is one of those areas they avoid. You also only hear them speaking of the Lords supper in terms of their opinions. Not as dogmatically as they do with regard to other topics such as assured salvation and the rapture. Though interestingly enough, Hank Hanagraph, the Bible Answer Man from the Christian Research Institute, who is on this station at 6 PM has recently come out on his position about end times and millenialism (he has taken essentially the same position as the Catholic Church) and has been rather hard on Tim Lahaye and company, dispensationalism, preterism, and pre-trib bail me out God theology. Funny thing is the show before him has Lahaye and Jenkins on once in a while and promotes his books. They also have this Jan Markell of Olive Tree Minestries on who promotes this pre-trib rapture stuff and looks at everything going on in the middle east with a microscope. Of course the sad thing about Hank is he ends all of his discussions about theology he disagrees with by saying "the main things are the plain things". The rest he just says are in-house debates over things we are free to disagree with. Sad. In other words , the Bible contains everything neccessary for our salvation, but most of it has no effect on our salvation and is just for in-house debates. God bless Edited December 27, 2004 by thessalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 To quote Fr. John Hardon "Homeschooling is not A solution to the current crisis in the Church, it is The solution." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 27 2004, 02:00 PM'] To quote Fr. John Hardon "Homeschooling is not A solution to the current crisis in the Church, it is The solution." [/quote] :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted December 27, 2004 Author Share Posted December 27, 2004 [quote name='Quietfire' date='Dec 27 2004, 02:53 PM'] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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conservativecatholic Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 (edited) [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 27 2004, 12:45 AM'] I too was confused by this. I would be interested in seeing some justification of the statement (that I think has been edited since). [/quote] There is nothing confusing about my statement regarding homeschooling. It seems to me that homschoolmom is getting quite desperate- not I. First of all, I do not edit any of my posts to reverse my comments. I soley edit them to fix simple grammatical errors. Second, the sole reason why I brought homeschooling into the situation is that homeschoolmom raised the question regarding the validity of my statements about Protestant baptism. She blatantly stated that I exaggerated my statements. My statements were indeed valid. I went on to explain that I do not live a sheltered life of homschooling. Although I do not oppose homeschooling, it serves as a shelter from the the evils and wrong of the real world. I learn things about different cultures and religions in public schools that my catholic mother wouldn't even think about telling me of. I have countless Protestant friends who tell me of their baptisms. I'm educated in a predominantly Protestant school. My father, for crying out loud, has been a Protestant for over 51 years (Thank God who is now in RCIA). I know the stories and facts of Protestant baptism. I do not pull facts from my rear and exaggerate them to the extent homeschoolmom accused me of. I am educated in the public school system. I not only learn from the books, but I'm subject and open to countless cultures that otherwise would not be available to me as a homeschool student. I will never regret making the comment I did about homeschooling. It was not out of bad intentions, and as secure adults, you all should have realized that. May God Bless. -conservativecatholic Edited December 28, 2004 by conservativecatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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