Taking the Lord's name in vain

[peach_cube]

Yeah, just that. For instance, I understand it that if it is done in a habitual way similar to swearing then it is a venial sin. Am I correct?

Also, the intent of it must be something other than being pissed off about something or frustrated and just blurting it out.

Just wondering because if my thoughts on this are wrong then I would need to go to confession much more frequently. Also I don't want to give others the wrong information.

Thanks.

[Phatmasser777]

Its becoming a fashion but God as the word itself has lost its meaning today as well, when people say 'God D..etc' they might even be atheists but say it simply becoz its become a social slang. Just what ive noticed.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 22 2004, 08:42 AM'] Its becoming a fashion but God as the word itself has lost its meaning today as well, when people say 'God D..etc' they might even be atheists but say it simply becoz its become a social slang. Just what ive noticed. [/quote]
Yep.

Though I find it interesting that these same people would want "under God" out of the Pledge of Alliegance. It's a shame.

[thessalonian]

It is always a GRAVE MORAL EVIL to say the Lord's name in vain. It's a commandment after all. Culpability may be lessened due to consent of will (as in a habit that someone is trying to overcome) or perhaps a slip up due to a past habbit, and knowledge (someone who does not have the Churches teachings on the matter) but it is always a grave offense against God. For myself I would say it would be mortal if I was angry and did not just accidently slip it out but actually in defience after thinking about it said it. (G.D.). It should be avoided at all costs.

[Don John of Austria]

Thessalonian-- If you think about what you are saying, and you truely mean what you say, you are NOT takingthe Lords name in vain, taking the Lords name in Vain means preciselythat you use it frivolously, no If you mean it you are not breaking that commandment--- You are breaking Christ command to Love your nieghbor as your self, truely wishing somebody damned is of course a grievous sin in it's own right, that is true Hatred. It is perhaps the most grievous sin you can Cmmit agianst another person, but it is not taking the Lords name in vain.

[popestpiusx]

To blaspheme during the glorious reign of St. Louis IX would have gotten your tongue removed (for second offence). I'm sure we are talking about lesser offenses than blasphemy though.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 22 2004, 10:13 AM'] Thessalonian-- If you think about what you are saying, and you truely mean what you say, you are NOT takingthe Lords name in vain, taking the Lords name in Vain means preciselythat you use it frivolously, no If you mean it you are not breaking that commandment--- You are breaking Christ command to Love your nieghbor as your self, truely wishing somebody damned is of course a grievous sin in it's own right, that is true Hatred. It is perhaps the most grievous sin you can Cmmit agianst another person, but it is not taking the Lords name in vain. [/quote]
You don't have to be using it with full knowledge of what you're doing. I agree with Thess here.

[Don John of Austria]

qfnol31-- thats exactly what i was saying, useing it frivolusly is taking the lords name in Vain, useing it after concidering it is a completly differant sin.

[qfnol31]

Then I probably agree with you too.

[Quietfire]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Dec 22 2004, 08:14 AM'] Yep.

Though I find it interesting that these same people would want "under God" out of the Pledge of Alliegance. It's a shame. [/quote]
Then maybe these same folks shouldnt use our money, on which every coin and bill states..."In God we Trust".

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 22 2004, 11:13 AM'] Thessalonian-- If you think about what you are saying, and you truely mean what you say, you are NOT takingthe Lords name in vain, taking the Lords name in Vain means preciselythat you use it frivolously, no If you mean it you are not breaking that commandment--- You are breaking Christ command to Love your nieghbor as your self, truely wishing somebody damned is of course a grievous sin in it's own right, that is true Hatred. It is perhaps the most grievous sin you can Cmmit agianst another person, but it is not taking the Lords name in vain. [/quote]
Don,

GD is cursing correct?

Taken from Examination of Conscience at:

[url="http://www.scborromeo.org/confess.htm"]http://www.scborromeo.org/confess.htm[/url]

SECOND COMMANDMENT
"You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain." (Ex 20:7)

Did I blaspheme or insult God?
Did I take God's name carelessly or uselessly?
Did I curse, or break an oath or vow?
Did I get angry with God?


From the Catechsim as well:

2162 The second commandment forbids every improper use of God's name. Blasphemy is the use of the name of God, of Jesus Christ, of the Virgin Mary, and of the saints in an offensive way.

GD is certainly offensive. Quit true that there is another sin involved in this usage but it is still a violation of the second commandment.


Blessings

[Ash Wednesday]

I always understood it to be that using God's name in a very flippant matter out of bad habit and split second exasperation was venial sin but saying it deliberately in blaspheming God and using his name deliberately in an offensive light, and wishing for God to beaver dam someone to hell would be a mortal sin.

Of course I really don't intend to say "It is just a venial sin" because even venial sin is not okay -- and the notion of "how much can I get away with" paves a wide and easy road to mortal sin and possibly hell.

[peach_cube]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Dec 22 2004, 06:08 PM'] I always understood it to be that using God's name in a very flippant matter out of bad habit and split second exasperation was venial sin but saying it deliberately in blaspheming God and using his name deliberately in an offensive light, and wishing for God to beaver dam someone to hell would be a mortal sin.

Of course I really don't intend to say "It is just a venial sin" because even venial sin is not okay -- and the notion of "how much can I get away with" paves a wide and easy road to mortal sin and possibly hell. [/quote]
Yeah, that is kind of what I was trying to understand. It just seems that taking the Lord's name in vain, in any instance, can be said to be a mortal sin. However, in my examination of conscience it lists sins in venial and mortal categories, but only seems to go into specific circumstances with swear words. It just seems looking straight at the bible it could be a mortal sin no matter what the situation?

It just would seem that if it was part of a bad habit that the same situations that apply to venial usage of swear words would also apply to the Lord's name?

Thanks to everyone for the replies so far, it helps me alot.

[Mary's Knight, La]

i can see both sides here, if you say it seriously then you're asking God to condemn something which isn't saying it flippantly but is saying it blasphemously in a sense. Just because God allows us to be damned doesn't mean [u]He[/u] damns us. While I don't know the original language in english the connotation is don't use it fruitlessly. And asking God to positively condemn something is as much a fruitless use as saying it flippantly.

Edited December 23, 2004 by Mary's Knight, La

[CreepyCrawler]

i think it's bad to say "oh my God!" b/c that seems vain. but is it wrong to say "oh my goodness!" since God is goodness and you're just using another word for God...?

my friend really takes offense at G.D. so instead he takes Bob Dole's name in vain and says "Bob Dole!" when he gets angry. It confuses people..