Jesus in Revelation has breasts?

[Paladin D]

Ever heard of [url="http://www.markchironna.com/"]Dr. Mark Chironna[/url]? Last year I was taken to one of his meetings, one thing he mentioned (amongst a whole lot of things) was how Jesus has breasts in Revelation. He was using this to make another point (which I don't remember) but the claim that Christ (or God for that matter) has [b]breasts[/b] is disturbing. From what I remember he used this passage:

[b]Revelation 1:13[/b] - [i]and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, 12 wearing an ankle-length robe, with a gold sash around [u][b]his chest.[/b][/u][/i]

He said that the ending portion of the passage in Greek translates in a way that it can only be interpreted to be a "female" chest or breasts. I don't remember much else (he gave a short lecture on the Greek translation). However, considering some of you know Greek, I want to see your refution.

[Guest Aluigi]

here's the word greekbible.com uses:

Case D
Number P
[b]Gender M[/b]
ΜΑΣΤΟΣ,n {mas-tos'}
1) the breasts [b]2) the breasts (nipples) of a man [/b] 3) breasts of a women

bold added by me, but according to Greek Bible dot com it's masculine..

some people...

[Dreamweaver]

Jesus with breasts? And I thought I heard everything....

[Sinner]

Most humans have breasts....... I note some differences between the male and female, but theyare all breasts nonetheless.

[Guest]

look at guys who work out
I picture Jesus with a manly and masculate body
his chest would stick out really far........pecks
pectorial muscles, Jesus is prolly benchen a solid 3000 pounds at least

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Dreamweaver' date='Dec 19 2004, 08:50 PM'] Jesus with breasts? And I thought I heard everything.... [/quote]
According to a certain New York church (not Catholic) he does. :angry:

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

Both men and women have breasts. It's the size and function of the breasts that are sex-linked traits. Men can get breast cancer too, which is fatal most of the time as most men don't get checked for it.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Sinner' date='Dec 20 2004, 01:02 AM'] I note some differences between the male and female, but theyare all breasts nonetheless. [/quote]
Differences indeed.

[dairygirl4u2c]

I might call into question the authority of that website. All I'm saying is don't automatically assume the website is accurate. It's greekBIBLE. That means it translates things in the context of the bible. Think about the bias of the website operators. If you had a neutral, nonbiblical minded tranlator that would be more acceptable. But either way, you can't just listen to one arguement like that and think that's the end of the story.

I think Pauline or somebody needs to find out why he was saying what he was saying. And then we need to find out his arguments. And if possible, his counter arguments to yours.

(not that I think Jesus has breasts.. well, he might have in revelation to signify the no sex spirit in us all or the one sex of the divine being of Jesus etc etc.. but I'm just sayin is all)

See guys. This is how you find carp out!

[Guest Aluigi]

greekbible.com has the greek bible online.

we have no source for his argument, aparently he simply mentioned it in some talk or something. so I went to the place where I could find the Bible in it's original greek, it uses ΜΑΣΤΟΣ which refers to either men or women's breasts. now i know Raph knows koine greek so we need to get him in here to ask him if there is a distinct word for the female breasts not used for male breasts, but so far it seems that the greek "ΜΑΣΤΟΣ" means the same thing as the english "breasts" which we use for both genders as well.

here's the info about the greek text on greekbible.com: [url="http://www.greekbible.com/textcopyright.php"]http://www.greekbible.com/textcopyright.php[/url]

i don't have access to the original manuscripts, so this is the next best thing. i never asserted it as definite proof, just the first pertinent info i could find. we need Raphael to tell us how female breasts would be distinguished in koine greek, but seeing as ΜΑΣΤΟΣ can mean either it seems the only way to make that distinction is with the context of describing a woman. the gender of the word doesn't even indicate it, that's just the literary gender of the word that doesn't say one thing or the other about what they're refering to.

[Benedict]

It will also be terribly difficult to find a scholar of Koine Greek who is "nonbiblical" since Koine is the Biblical Greek and people study Koine Greek to study the Bible.

My search only showed that mastos is often translated pap or paps, which means nipple(s).

[Socrates]

This is the most incredibly silly "issue" I have seen made of a Bible passage. It seems to just be referring to the location of the sash Christ was wearing, not to imply Jesus had boobs!

I swear! Some people have way too much time on their hands!

[InHisHands381]

[conservativecatholic]

Listen to this. There is a contemporary Catholic church nearby that has a crucifix with Jesus who has large female breasts. It was by far the most bizzare thing I've ever seen.

Edited December 22, 2004 by conservativecatholic

[Socrates]

[quote name='conservativecatholic' date='Dec 21 2004, 07:28 PM'] Listen to this. There is a contemporary Catholic church nearby that has a crucifix with Jesus who has large female breasts. It was by far the most bizzare thing I've ever seen. [/quote]
What horrors radical feminism/modernism hath inflicted upon us!