Dj 86 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 With the large number of Christians/ Catholics in this country, why isnt our genre of music bigger? Could it be bigger? If so how? What do Catholic musicians have to do to help their music compete with the mainstream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 you cant compete wit mainstream but I can help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 [quote]With the large number of Christians/ Catholics in this country, why isnt our genre of music bigger?[/quote] Because, generally speaking, it just isn't good. Have you ever seen an Evangelical Christian movie? They are usually sentimental, badly acted jokes. The reason Mel Gibson's film was so great was not just because he was Catholic, but because he was a true film maker. There's an excellent Catholic lady in Hollywood named Barbara Nicolosi and she's always stressing that we don't need Christians to become artists, we need artists to become Christians. We need TRUE artists to express TRUE art from their point of view. A lot of Christian hip hop is just bad, because it's just Christians trying to fit in with the hip hop world at large. Phatmass, IMO, avoids this, because the Phatmass artists are genuinely artists and not just genuinely Catholics. However well intentioned a Christian may be, if he doesn't have the gift for a particular art form, then no amount of godly aspirations is going to change that. Chesterton and Tolkien were great writers, and so they speak to all men, Christian or otherwise. The same has to be done with Christian artists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 Our music cant compete because the youth who live in ghettos like the thug music and stuff we may have alot of catholics and stuff but not all of them r true catholics or christians and stuff we can compete with mainsteam but that would mean do the stuff they do and get roudy about it like "the invasion" there havin at/in NY and stuff like that and gettin people to play yall's music on the 97.9 the beat or whatever u know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenSorrows Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 [quote name='Dj 86' date='Dec 17 2004, 11:32 PM'] With the large number of Christians/ Catholics in this country, why isnt our genre of music bigger? Could it be bigger? If so how? What do Catholic musicians have to do to help their music compete with the mainstream? [/quote] Well for one, Catholics don't play music...and if they do...they cover up and hide their faith, and at best call themselves "christian". (phatmass bands/company exluded of course ) And as the bible says....if you love Christ, the world will hate you...so that is your answer. But yes we could be huge with Christians...but most christians don't live their faith. And as for Christian music (I haven't listened to much hiphop/rap) it is just awful. It is super cheesy. Before I started a catholic band...I would always talk about and wonder...."Why is it..that you can hear 2 notes of a song..not even hear any vocals..and know it is christian" Like their is some "cheesy" button that is pushed when they record. So since all praise music sounds the same (especially the live albums) you don't really have to buy new cds every month...cause it is all the same. But Catholic music could get huge with Catholics....we just don't have any Catholic bands yet...I mean think about it...think of all your friends who listen to Christian music...do they listen to CAtholic bands?? why not?? oh yeah...cause their are none...and the ones that are around, just cover protestant christian praise songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandmn54 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Catholic/Christian music is an entirely different genre. Some bands may be able to cross the line, but they are usually sacrificing some of their message. They usually aren't as in your face or direct about what they are trying to say. The Catholic music market is bloated with musicians who honestly aren't very good, that is why Cheer Up Charlie formed. We won't sacrifice our message, but we're still their with solid music. CCM is much closer in competition with the secular market. But the world hasn't seen what Catholics are capable of yet. Nothing against you SevenSorrows, but I completely disagree. First of all, Scarecrow has been around for 5 years in the Catholic market, and we built a MASSIVE following. People don't know much about us now because we haven't been super active for the past 2 or 3 years. Another thing, I think that people like Chris Tomlin, strictly praise and worship, make Christian music cool. He's amazing, and I would buy any of his albums as soon as they come out. I would encourage everybody to buy his stuff. Other great artists who are actually Catholic are Matt Maher, Sarah Hart, and Chris Padgett. Rock wise, you have Scarecrow and Tinmen, Cheer Up Charlie, and of course, our beloved Seven Sorrows. There are many, but these are some that I definately recommend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Before I reverted back to the Catholic faith, I was heavenly into CCM music (still am to an extent). The Christian music market has been growing very well, the problem is that it seems much of the Catholic community seems to be oblivious to this. There are hundreds of different Christian bands, singers, and groups. Majority of them are just as professional (if not better) as secular artists (no joke). The main problem is the lack of attention that the mainstream media is giving to the Christian genre. When I'm refering to Christian music, I'm not refering to gospel or church music, I'm talking CCM. Some of these websites contain large databases (the links) to hundreds of CCM groups. [url="http://www.christianrock.net"]http://www.christianrock.net[/url] [url="http://www.christianhardrock.net"]http://www.christianhardrock.net[/url] [url="http://www.christian-hiphop.net"]http://www.christian-hiphop.net[/url] Here are two examples of the many CCM bands out there. - [url="http://www.demonhunter.net"]Demon Hunter[/url] (Heavy Metal) - [url="http://www.pillarmusic.com"]PiLLaR[/url] (Hard Rock) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Yeah, maybe Catholic music has struggled in most countries such America, but Catholic music seems to be in a pretty good state in Brazil, including metal and hard rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 we need more awareness. its hard to get out and be known. theres got to be more connections and opportunites to make it happen. i think we haven't had the chance to really make a strong base foundation that we need to go all the way with it. but i do think we have the potential its just that so many make it hard for antying good or catholic to really get the break it needs. but i think its possible-just will require lots of work, lots of good cds, concerts and catholic artists to build bands,fanbase, recognition etc. to make it happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 I'm not really that knowlegable about Christian/Catholic pop/rock/hip-hop music. I can't stand "Christian Contemporary"-style coagulated milk, however. I think good Christian music (or any art) needs to be natural and come from the soul. If good Christisan or Catholics became artists, their Christian worldview will be a natural influence on their art. It should not be something self-consciously "tacked-on." The music or art shouldn't be a mere "marketing device" for the Christian message. ("Think I'll write a song to promote Christ. What style is popular now?") Art may have a good intent or message, but that does not necessarily make it good art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 because most christian/catholic artists aren't competing with the mainstream, they're competing for their tiny part of the world audience. there's not a great push to create music that's up-to-par with mainstream pop/rock. this is largely due to some of the primary supporters of catholic christian music shunning those of us that don't sing about jesus or mary for every track... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inDEED Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 [quote name='ryanmeyersmusic' date='Dec 19 2004, 03:55 PM'] because most christian/catholic artists aren't competing with the mainstream, they're competing for their tiny part of the world audience. there's not a great push to create music that's up-to-par with mainstream pop/rock. this is largely due to some of the primary supporters of catholic christian music shunning those of us that don't sing about jesus or mary for every track... [/quote] I was waiting for your reply, Ryan... And I agree completely... Well put... "this is largely due to some of the primary supporters of catholic christian music shunning those of us that don't sing about jesus or mary for every track..." Man...WELL SAID... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 (edited) double post my fault Edited December 20, 2004 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 (edited) I think the door is being made wider and wider everyday I think its up to the artist to be edgy, but not compramise their faith I think we need to become anything, to reach the sinner...as Paul said Like Ryan said, you cant make a whole album and every song be about Jesus and Mary..........If christian music is pure and from the heart, Jesus and Mary will be filled throughout the lyrics wether or not their names are mentioned......Jesus is wherever he choozes....and many time's its places where his name isnt mentioned every other sentence.......... nice topic 86 Edited December 20, 2004 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 oh yeah, and i forgot to mention: catholic christian music definitely NEEDS MORE COWBELL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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