Abortion debate.

[Phatmasser777]

I wasnt going to such an extend to say that all history is not trustworthy in anyway or form as you have put it.

Serious question, why do you people blow things right out its context, I mean you drag in carp that has nothing to do with the topic to try and give your case or belief more weight, when what it does it complicate the matters.

Edited December 22, 2004 by Phatmasser777

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 22 2004, 09:40 AM'] I wasnt going to such an extend to say that all history is not trustworthy in anyway or form as you have put it.

Serious question, why do you people blow things right out its context, I mean you drag in carp that has nothing to do with the topic to try and give your case or belief more weight, when what it does it complicate the matters. [/quote]
I believe you wrote that not much of history is trustworthy... my point was the majority of it is.

It's not case or belief, it's logic based on given facts we know taken into account with all the questions that need to be asked with the answers that are found.

Maybe you feel that the points we made have more weight that what you write because deep down inside you know you're wrong or you don't have a rebuttal with any weight.

We would be geniuses to comment with something with lesser weight in a debate.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[Phatmasser777]

[quote]I believe you wrote that not much of history is trustworthy... my point was the majority of it is.
[/quote]

No I didnt.

[Don John of Austria]

Phatmasser777


ironmonk wrote
QUOTE
I believe you wrote that not much of history is trustworthy... my point was the majority of it is.


You wrote

No I didnt.

However yes you did
[quote]All I was saying is that history, majority of it cannot be trusted 100%[/quote]

You said the majority of history cannot be trusted 100% if you can't trust it some then that means you can't trust it, think about it.

Edited December 23, 2004 by Don John of Austria

[Phatmasser777]

[quote]All I was saying is that history, majority of it cannot be trusted 100%[/quote]

100%. That means it can be trusted upto 99%. Or parts can be true and others false.

Please dont try and interpretate the bible if you cant get this simple statement!

Edited December 23, 2004 by Phatmasser777

[Don John of Austria]

If something ios not 100% true than it is at least partially a lie, you by definition cannot trust a lie, it is by definition untrustworthy.

Please do not use the Written english language isf you are unable to understand this simple idea.

[Phatmasser777]

Here comes the arrogance.

Its a simple statement I made, you read to much into it, as most Catholics would do understandably in a debate situation, but dont try and pass of your stuff up's as some error Ive made. Face up to it.

[Don John of Austria]

You have said over and over that history is untrustworthy, when called upon to take that to it's full measure you balk, [i]it is your error[/i] face up to it.

[crusader1234]

I don't understand why people are fighting over misuse of the English language. Written and spoken English, in its proper form, has been nearly dead for quite some time.

[qfnol31]

Yikes, I liked this better when it was about abortion.

Anyone care to discuss that?

[Phatmasser777]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 24 2004, 02:48 AM'] You have said over and over that history is untrustworthy, when called upon to take that to it's full measure you balk, [i]it is your error[/i] face up to it. [/quote]
You done it again Thats like 4 times now. I never said all of history is untrustworthy, thats your stuff-up.



Learn HOW TO [b]R E A D[/b].

[KnightoftheImmaculate1]

When you guys were talking about abortion in the first pages of this debate and you wanted an answer from the [quote]What about for a non-Catholic perspective on this...[/quote] here it is...you can ask any microbiologist to look at a fertilized egg(human being) under a microscope and from looking at this "cell" they can tell you that its DNA structure is human, and is different from every other human that has been and that will be, and that if allowed to grow -keyword here is grow not change- it will develop into a human being. Also from a purely scientific point, there was a World Scientific Council (I think that is what it was called) that consisted of the greatest scientists around the world, that gathered together to determine when human life begins. After much serious research they concluded that human life begins at the moment of conception. I will do more research on this Council because I don't remember the dates and members and such. What more proof do you need that?!

Edited December 26, 2004 by KnightoftheImmaculate1

[KnightoftheImmaculate1]

Pm777, if you say that history is both trustworthy and not at the same time you are contradicting yourself, therefore you are the extremist that doesn't think logically. If 99% of history is not trustworthy then why would you be able to determine what is the true 1%? Also, when you spoke of interpretation of Holy Scripture, if you don't believe what DonAustria said about what history comes from, you would not have any Scripture to interpret. In another post you mentioned that "all forms of truth are relative" what do you mean by relative? If you wish to accuse others of extremism you need to prove you point and define your words with absolute certainty and not let passion interfere.

[Quietfire]

[quote name='Phatmasser777' date='Dec 19 2004, 08:39 AM'] M.D's, Bio-Ethicists, Medi-Ethicists override anything you say or believe. You can keep saying 'nope' all you like, but there are many scenerios where abortion is legitimate, whether you want to recognize that or not has been proven without a doubt already. [/quote]
The culture of death(bio-ethicists and the like) do not override the laws of God.
THEY can keep saying that it does all THEY want, but it will never change the truth.
THEY have proven nothing.
No human, no matter how educated he is, has the right to decide who lives and who dies. And ultimately, that is what they are doing.
Let them show up at my house and tell me that my handicapped neices are a burden to society, and that they should be spared the pain of living a life that doesnt meet these folks requirement, then they will have to go through me first. AND I will be justified in taking a life that attempts to take the life of one of my nieces.
Who the hell are you or anyone else to tell mankind who should or shouldnt live? And how dare you or anyone else reduce a human life to a 'blob', an inconvenience to society, or a burden to a family.


Try again.

Edited December 27, 2004 by Quietfire

[godsfisherwoman15]

hey every1! im jess and im SO against abortion. i mean y kill and innocent...especially such a wonderful gift from GOD!?! i believe that baby has a choice whether the parents want to give them a choice or not! thanks and GOD bless!