Phatmasser777 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 No I found it quite neccessary and true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 (edited) Rather than figuring out what is wrong with the budhists and what they believe, I think we should have a discussion on the things in their religion that we could use to help them come to a true knowledge of Christ. One thing that their Nirvanha ideas point to is with regard to the communion of saints and how we are, though not God, united with him as we grow in love for him, till when we die, we are one in will with him. Their beliefs point toward the truth and they have gleaned this truth from their reading of nature. But do to the fact that they do not have the scriptures and therefore do not have divine revelation which is neccessary for a true viewpoint on God, they go to far in their belief. That I think is the approach that the APostle Paul took in acts 17 when he uses the tomb of the Unknown God to explain to the Athenians the true God. That is the method that St. Francis Xavier, perhaps the greatest post apostolic missionary that ever lived used. In our parish a few years back a priest from New Guinea preached. He told about how New Guniea used to have Canabals I believe he said as late as the 1940's. Could you imagine being a priest in Italy and getting the call to go to New Guinea. But the funny thing was that the people were very easy to convert because they had a natural attraction to the Eucharist. Needless to say they had to leave some of their other behavior behind. So personally I think there is little use in arguing about whether the Dali is going to heaven or hell and who is God is. We know that he and his followers are not in the truth. The Church teaches against indifferentism so we are called to convert them. So let's be about that and respect them enough such that we can study what they believe to use it to convert them. God bless Edited December 17, 2004 by thessalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 ther are still cannibals in new guinea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 There appears to be some confusion about the nature and purpose of ecumenism and interreligious dialogue: firstly, it should be noted that [i]ecumenical dialogue[/i] involves discussions between the Catholic Church and baptized Christians not in full communion with her, with the intention of bringing those non-Catholic Christians back into full communion with the Christ's holy Catholic Church; while secondly, [i]interreligious dialogue[/i], which should not be confused with ecumenism, concerns discussions between the Catholic Church and non-Christians, with the purpose of advancing the common good of society in a general sense. Moreover, [i]interreligious dialogue[/i] is not a substitute for evangelization, because the goal of the Catholic Church is to bring all men into communion with God in Christ, who is the sole savior of humanity, and so any form of indifferentism is a grave sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Dec 17 2004, 01:25 PM'] There appears to be some confusion about the nature and purpose of ecumenism and interreligious dialogue: firstly, it should be noted that [i]ecumenical dialogue[/i] involves discussions between the Catholic Church and baptized Christians not in full communion with her, with the intention of bringing those non-Catholic Christians back into full communion with the Christ's holy Catholic Church; while secondly, [i]interreligious dialogue[/i], which should not be confused with ecumenism, concerns discussions between the Catholic Church and non-Christians, with the purpose of advancing the common good of society in a general sense. Moreover, [i]interreligious dialogue[/i] is not a substitute for evangelization, because the goal of the Catholic Church is to bring all men into communion with God in Christ, who is the sole savior of humanity, and so any form of indifferentism is a grave sin. [/quote] Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 17 2004, 12:42 PM'] ther are still cannibals in new guinea [/quote] Thank you for that note. Good to know next time I go there. My point stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Dec 15 2004, 07:46 PM'] Well where do you think that pawns of the devil come from? And anyway he isn't trying to find God, as a buddhist he directly Denies the existance of any God in the Western Monotheist since of the word, and the "gods" he does aknowledge are not even as god like as a pagan Greek. He believes in nothing, not to say he has no believes but that he truely believes in a positive nothingness as the goal of all people. He is a servent of evil, that makes him a servant of the Devil, even if he doesn't know it, or desire it, he still serves the Devils cause, in a Devil inspired religion. [/quote] And as such, it would be highly scandalous to publically pray with him (unless that prayer is one of repentance, in which case the buddist would be publically acknowledging his errors and begging God for forgiveness.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 20 2004, 07:37 AM'] And as such, it would be highly scandalous to publically pray with him (unless that prayer is one of repentance, in which case the buddist would be publically acknowledging his errors and begging God for forgiveness.) [/quote] Alas, much of what passes itself off as [i]interreligious dialogue[/i] today borders on the heresy of indifferentism. Pray for the Church's leaders. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Dec 20 2004, 12:15 PM'] Alas, much of what passes itself off as [i]interreligious dialogue[/i] today borders on the heresy of indifferentism. Pray for the Church's leaders. God bless, Todd [/quote] Sadly, this is true. Yes, we must pray. We must pray hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted December 21, 2004 Author Share Posted December 21, 2004 They all seem pretty indifferent to me. Hmm Dalai Lama invited to a Cathedral preach on peace...Getawarded a plaque? Didnt hear or see Jesus mentioned ONCE at that little happy-fest. No one has said directly to the Dalai Lama, you need Jesus...or Let me tell you about Jesus. Instead its all glad-handing and indirectly the praising of Dalai Lama where he can promote his ideas and philosohies pertaining to the world. I never see any evangelization at these interfaith Catholic events. havent seen any yet whatsoever. So lukewarm and wishy-washy. No ones doing the Dalai Lama any favors as he grows older.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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