Cure of Ars Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I hear people talk as if it is a virtue. Is it a virtue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Christ was not tolerant, why should we be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 If it means being tolerant of sinful behavior, absolutely not! If it means being tolerant of people as individuals, yes! Love the sinner, hate the sin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure of Ars Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 Christ was not tolerant, why should we be. God allows evil to exist, is this not tolerance? I agree with you but I would like to see if there is an aspect of tolerance that can be a virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Saint Josemaria Escriva - The Way 198 These are the ripe fruits of the mortified soul: tolerance and understanding for the defects of others; intolerance for one's own. Christ was very tolerant for the person. Not tolerant for the sin itself. God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Christ was completly intolerant---are you reading the same bible. I would love to get into this right now but I have been up to late already, goodnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure of Ars Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 Right when is starts to get good. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cure of Ars Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 Saint Josemaria Escriva - The Way 198Â These are the ripe fruits of the mortified soul: tolerance and understanding for the defects of others; intolerance for one's own. Christ was very tolerant for the person. Not tolerant for the sin itself. God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk My old man has this book. I looked through it really fast. It looked cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmandi Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Christ was completly intolerant I'm not sure I agree with the word completely. He was intolerant of sin, yes. But if Christ had been completely intolerant would he have spoken to the woman at the well? Would he have called Matthew? Would he have entrusted Peter with the keys of His Church? Would he have chosen Judas to be one of His disciples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Christ was completly intolerant---are you reading the same bible. I would love to get into this right now but I have been up to late already, goodnight. How could Christ be intolerant of people, since He came for the sinners? St. John 8:4 They said to him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the very act of committing adultery. 5 Now in the law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?" 7 But when they continued asking him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." 10 Then Jesus straightened up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11 She replied, "No one, sir." Then Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, (and) from now on do not sin any more." God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 (edited) Mark 9:38 9 John said to him, "Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name, and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow us." 39 Jesus replied, "Do not prevent him. There is no one who performs a mighty deed in my name who can at the same time speak ill of me. 40 For whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Anyone who gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ, amen, I say to you, will surely not lose his reward. 9 [38-41] Jesus warns against jealousy and intolerance toward others, such as exorcists who do not follow us. The saying in Mark 9:40 is a broad principle of the divine tolerance. Even the smallest courtesies shown to those who teach in Jesus' name do not go unrewarded. God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Edited October 15, 2003 by ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 In the context of tolerance in this case, I agree with Don John that Jesus was tolerant of nothing. Tolerance for us allowing evil to exist because we can do nothing about it and because we may be mistaken. We should be tolerant to the extent of our knowledge. In our case, tolerance should be tempered by patience, charity on one side, and knowledge and zeal on the other. In Jesus' case, he knows the heart. There is no guess work. Jesus is God, the Perfect Judge. He also has Perfect Mercy and Wisdom. What we may see as 'tolerance' by Jesus is Divine Patience and Love with Perfect Justice as only an omniscient God can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 (edited) Chesterton said "A man who is tolerant is a man without conviction". I agree. In saying that however I also agree with 1 Pet 3:15 and 1 Peter 3:15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence; Intolerance does not always have to be associated with anger. There is a righteous anger also as when Jesus showed anger with the money changers in the temple. So there are times to be angry also. But I have to believe that we are never to be tolerant of error in that we are always to make some attempt to shed light on the darkness. We are the "light of the world" not to be hidden under a basket but to be put upon a hill for all to see. By the worlds standards and definition this is intolerant. Oh well. People feel that you are being intolerant of them in preaching the truth to them. Why? Because as last sunday's second reading says, the Word of God is a two edged sword that convicts the conscience. Thus when we speak the truth (the Word of God) we are seen as intolerant by those who hear the words and have their consciences seared. Blessings Edited October 15, 2003 by thessalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 There is another quote I like out of John Vianny's autobiography. I can only paraphrase it hear becase I don't have it with me. It says that Mr. Vianny when he first got to his first parish found that the people came to Mass and were quite comfortable about it. But he must not ask for more from them. Yet Fr. Vianny felt it was his duty to not only pray and fast for them but to speak and act. To convict their conscience and root out the sin. Of course we must speak in prudence according to where the person is at. We do not break the bruised reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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