Oik Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Absurd! If homosexuality is genetic, then so is heterosexuality. If attraction is determined by genes, then so are dislikes. I got it, we must have evolved! If we evolved, then we must be made of sometype of matter. Since we all know that the universe reuses matter, then the universe nust be eternal! Matter is infinite! No need for God! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 The problem with arguing that homosexuality is innate is that it undermines the fact that it is a sin. "They can't help it." Look, I find guys attractive, but that doens't mean I lust for men. When a man stands up and a crowd of athiests and proclaims the Truth, I am attracted to that honesty and courage. I am attracted to Jesus and Jesus has attracted many. Attaction does not equal homosexuality. Jesus said that when you lust, you have already commited adultery. So, how can someone entertain any lustful thought and not be in sin? The is even a guy out there now who claims he has found the gene that makes people more susceptible to believing in God and religion! If you support arguements like this, what's next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 in a world where children can be born with the genitals of both sexes, in a world where twins can fail to copletely seperate in the womb, what is the tremendous diffculty with accepting as an *idea* that some people may be born with a set of genetic characteristics that pre-dispose tem to sexual attraction towards members of their own sex? Laay-persons defining their opinon as dogma is but one sign of the unhealthiness of Catholic Culture since the sixties. Get over it, you can't bind people to agree with you on open scientific questions. The Church takes no position on the nascence of homosexual desire. The Church commands her gay and lesbian children to not engage in sexaul acts. The end. *goes to bang head against yet another brick wall* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Dec 15 2004, 06:26 PM'] in a world where children can be born with the genitals of both sexes, in a world where twins can fail to copletely seperate in the womb, what is the tremendous diffculty with accepting as an *idea* that some people may be born with a set of genetic characteristics that pre-dispose tem to sexual attraction towards members of their own sex? Laay-persons defining their opinon as dogma is but one sign of the unhealthiness of Catholic Culture since the sixties. Get over it, you can't bind people to agree with you on open scientific questions. The Church takes no position on the nascence of homosexual desire. The Church commands her gay and lesbian children to not engage in sexaul acts. The end. *goes to bang head against yet another brick wall* [/quote] Don't worry about it. You're right. Anyone who disagrees is in error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Dec 15 2004, 07:26 PM'] in a world where children can be born with the genitals of both sexes, in a world where twins can fail to copletely seperate in the womb, what is the tremendous diffculty with accepting as an *idea* that some people may be born with a set of genetic characteristics that pre-dispose tem to sexual attraction towards members of their own sex? Laay-persons defining their opinon as dogma is but one sign of the unhealthiness of Catholic Culture since the sixties. Get over it, you can't bind people to agree with you on open scientific questions. The Church takes no position on the nascence of homosexual desire. The Church commands her gay and lesbian children to not engage in sexaul acts. The end. *goes to bang head against yet another brick wall* [/quote] hello Hyper Pax Christ!! Havent heard from you in a while how is everything? I agree totally with you. Just incase there was some confusion on my comments on the first pages, I in no way shape or form believe that homosexuals are going to hell. I read someone on this thread someone make a mention of it. I dont know whos going to hell only God knows. Im no better and will probably go first into the flames. I dont believe the original topic was about homosexuality as a whole, but rather the ones that are in the Church trying to throw their sexuality in the Church's face saying 'Accept my lifestyle!'. Those are the people I have a problem with. I have issues, yes, just like all of you. But do you see me trying to force a Church to accept them and tell me everything is going to be alright if I continue to do it? thats the point and difference here. God Bless. Hyper good to see you post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 [quote]what is the tremendous diffculty with accepting as an *idea* that some people may be born with a set of genetic characteristics that pre-dispose tem to sexual attraction towards members of their own sex?[/quote] The first and second Chapter of Genesis, that's what. And the simple Truth that God created man and woman to sexually compliment each other. Homosexuality is the redefinition of God's command for human sexuality. [quote]Laay-persons defining their opinon as dogma is but one sign of the unhealthiness of Catholic Culture since the sixties. Get over it, you can't bind people to agree with you on open scientific questions.[/quote] I wasn't defining my opinions as dogma. If the Catholic Church is so unheathy, then why does it attract so many young people like myself (i'm twenty-two and I know everything! j/k) I don't have any power to do anything. I can neither bind or unbind. This is something only God can do and bestow. He didn't bestow that to me. [quote]The Church takes no position on the nascence of homosexual desire. The Church commands her gay and lesbian children to not engage in sexaul acts. The end.[/quote] I agree that the Chuch does not stipulate the origins of "homosexuality." It does however clarify what sexuality is and why is was given to us. Homosexuality is obviously then a distortion (and I use this word carefully). The Church also does not deny that evolution is possible. However it is important to note that the Church doesn't avocate or apporve anything that would undermine the Will of God. If someone makes claims about homosexuality that are set forth to purposfully undermine God's Will, the Church does most certaibly speak out against that. [quote]The end.[/quote] It's not the end. Homosexuality is a major issue today. Hopefully we will see a clarifying of Church teaching soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 [quote]I dont believe the original topic was about homosexuality as a whole, but rather the ones that are in the Church trying to throw their sexuality in the Church's face saying 'Accept my lifestyle!'. Those are the people I have a problem with.[/quote] Agreed and agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I'm done with this topic, but I must clarify. Holy Church is perfect and every day Her perfection increases. She makes the sun rise and set with the Sacrifice of the Mass and prevents the end of the all things by Her faithfulness to truth. I said Catholic [b]Culture[/b] is unhealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I still believe that homosexuality is a disorder of the mind, and like any psychological disorder there may be both a genetic and environmental component that combine to manifest the problem. A person can be more prone to being homosexual, but their environment may inflame that tendency. Diathesis-stress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 I don't know what causes Same Sex Attraction. I don't know all the details of the make up. But I'm positive it's disordered . . . it's like a dog humping your leg . . . it might be natural, but it just ain't right . . . Of course I could give a more nuanced position supported by a theological positiong, but I think the dog image is funnier . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted December 16, 2004 Share Posted December 16, 2004 you crack me up blaze lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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