let_go_let_God Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Every one has a cross to bear, for homosexuals it is SSA, for some it is pornography, gossip, fornication, lying, using the Lord's name in vain, greed, ext. We just need to be there in prayers and to be able to help them with it if they ask for help. I cant think of the Bible verse exactly but how are we to take the speck out of out brother's eye when we have a plank in ours. God bless- LGLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='Oik' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:59 AM'] That's great dude. So how do you explain my mother walking out on my family and her marriage of 20 years live in a gay relationship with the woman she cheated on my dad with just before she left? Look, I don't hate anybody and I don't resent anyone, but I will simply not let the "homosexuality is innate" myth go on any longer. [/quote] I can't explain this. But it isn't proof that homosexuality isn't innate. It could be said that she finally couldn't suppress her natural desires any longer. I don't know. But I don't think we will ever know either way for certain. The homosexuals know, and I will continue to pray for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 This homosexual doesn't know. I know I made no active/conscious coice to think men were attractive, but that's not to say that in some deep dark fallen place I did not make the decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Dec 14 2004, 01:04 AM'] This homosexual doesn't know. I know I made no active/conscious coice to think men were attractive, but that's not to say that in some deep dark fallen place I did not make the decision. [/quote] Ah I see. Well I'm sorry. Most of my friends claim it is innate for certain. But let me say I know exactly what you mean. Prayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='hyperdulia again' date='Dec 14 2004, 01:04 AM'] This homosexual doesn't know. I know I made no active/conscious coice to think men were attractive, but that's not to say that in some deep dark fallen place I did not make the decision. [/quote] I cannot say that it is innate or not, but I will pray that you stay strong and grow stronger. God bless- LGLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 It is not genetic, it is not mental. It is a dis-order of the affections. That is all. Its a cross - which is something we ALL have. Nobody gets out of life without one attached. Each of us has a choice in how we carry our cross. The problem is some people choose to celebrate theirs publically. Look at all the money Hugh Hefner made out of his ball and chain. Look at the Call to action idiots or the homosexual lobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therevolution Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [color=red]oh my oh my... [/color]i see how tings have gotten out of hand meanwhile i went to work... i will clean out my closet if thats what it takes for you guys to get a reality check, but listen up... homosexuality is not, i repeat is not something people choose to be trust me, for those of you who believe otherwise, you really need to get out there and stop blocking off the outside world for you guys to say that gays are going to hell it shows ignorance, afterall isnt "being blunt" what you guys wanted? another thing... being gay doesnt mean being sexually active with the same sex, it just means you have an attraction and desire for the same sex... ill post more later, im in school now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='therevolution' date='Dec 14 2004, 01:53 PM'] [color=red]oh my oh my... [/color]i see how tings have gotten out of hand meanwhile i went to work... i will clean out my closet if thats what it takes for you guys to get a reality check, but listen up... homosexuality is not, i repeat is not something people choose to be trust me, for those of you who believe otherwise, you really need to get out there and stop blocking off the outside world for you guys to say that gays are going to hell it shows ignorance, afterall isnt "being blunt" what you guys wanted? another thing... being gay doesnt mean being sexually active with the same sex, it just means you have an attraction and desire for the same sex... ill post more later, im in school now [/quote] I think most of us have come to that agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='therevolution' date='Dec 14 2004, 03:53 PM'] [color=red]oh my oh my... [/color]i see how tings have gotten out of hand meanwhile i went to work... i will clean out my closet if thats what it takes for you guys to get a reality check, but listen up... homosexuality is not, i repeat is not something people choose to be trust me, for those of you who believe otherwise, you really need to get out there and stop blocking off the outside world for you guys to say that gays are going to hell it shows ignorance, afterall isnt "being blunt" what you guys wanted? another thing... being gay doesnt mean being sexually active with the same sex, it just means you have an attraction and desire for the same sex... ill post more later, im in school now [/quote] Nothing gets out of hand on the phatmass boards. Same sex attraction is not something one chooses, but it is also NOT genetic either. Homosexual [i]activity[/i] is a choice, just as heterosexual activity is. Not one person here has said gays are going to hell. Maybe you should read what we say, instead of what you think we said. Being "gay" usually connotates an active homosexual lifestyle. Thats why most people here use the more correct term - "same sex atttraction". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therevolution Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Dec 14 2004, 02:52 PM'] Nothing gets out of hand on the phatmass boards. Same sex attraction is not something one chooses, but it is also NOT genetic either. Homosexual [i]activity[/i] is a choice, just as heterosexual activity is. Not one person here has said gays are going to hell. Maybe you should read what we say, instead of what you think we said. Being "gay" usually connotates an active homosexual lifestyle. Thats why most people here use the more correct term - "same sex atttraction". [/quote] the thing is im bleh with that issue you know? and yeah im pretty sure someone said that, i wont say any names but i read that... it's cool though i know my beliefs and where i stand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 [quote name='therevolution' date='Dec 14 2004, 01:53 PM'] [color=red]oh my oh my... [/color]i see how tings have gotten out of hand meanwhile i went to work... i will clean out my closet if thats what it takes for you guys to get a reality check, but listen up... homosexuality is not, i repeat is not something people choose to be trust me, for those of you who believe otherwise, you really need to get out there and stop blocking off the outside world for you guys to say that gays are going to hell it shows ignorance, afterall isnt "being blunt" what you guys wanted? another thing... being gay doesnt mean being sexually active with the same sex, it just means you have an attraction and desire for the same sex... ill post more later, im in school now [/quote] Most of us here have been acknowledging that those with SSA are not going to hell, it's only when you've acted upon it that a person committs a mortal sin. (See my prior post from the CCC) I believe that we are being very civil and open minded on this issue and many others. If anything had gotten out of hand, the mods would have either locked this thread or edited posts for content. God bless- LGLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Cmom, I must respectfully (and I mean that), say that it serves absolutely no purpose to keep saying it's not genetic. No one knows whether or not it is. If it is, it changes NOTHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 (edited) Dearie I am pointing it out because I am tired of the argument that genes equal destiny. At this point no gene has been identified as being "gay" and most reputable people think its something prenatal and/or early childhod issue. Hey I have missed you. Edited December 15, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamweaver Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 If one looks a how genetics works, and how genes are passed on, the gay gene would eventually weed itself out of society. True, some people with SSA live married lives and could pass on the "gay gene", or have a child with the use of donated sperm and eggs. The complexity of attraction means that most likely, there is NOT a single gene which says that you're gay or not, but rather a large assortment of genes that may influence what you find attractive. I still beleive that attraction is based on childhood experiences. There is a significant amount of people with SSA that have come from broken families or have been abused. Again, coming from a background like this doesn't mean that one will grow up to be gay. It is a very complex issue. All we can do is to encourage those with SSA to live chastely, as we all are, regardless of sexual orientation. We all have different crosses that we must bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 15, 2004 Share Posted December 15, 2004 Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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