spathariossa Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='Oik' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:39 AM'] People choose to be gay. This thread has been brought up so many times. There are people on this board who have been there and back. People can be cured of their disordered desires. Again, people on this board can tell you about it. Compassion has to be used in dealing with anything or anybody, but in the case of defiance, like this, firm reprimand is long overdue. [/quote] People cannot and do not choose to be gay. The proof is what a nonsensical choice it is - if you could choose to exclusively prefer one sex or the other then why in the world would you choose the one that leads to being a pariah and the one that leads to persecution. It is ridiculous. Gay people can become celibate but it would take a verifiable miracle to make them straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofizzle Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 (edited) [quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 13 2004, 06:50 PM'] People don't choose to be gay. But they do choose to have gay sex. Being gay smells of elderberries and is a heavy burden for people but they should realize that having intercouse with members of the same sex is not the kind of behavior God intended. [color=red] edited for content [/color] [/quote] No one is born Gay. they cannot be. Everything God creates is good therefore God cannot create evil. homosexuality is an evil thing. Homosexuality is a choice that is made by an individual. they can either carry their cross or not. {Even if a person is homosexual and does not have intercource i belive they are still out of communion with the church...........} {edited because I am a dork who cant speak} Edited December 14, 2004 by Scofizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Scofizzle' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:47 AM'] No one is born Gay. they cannot be. Everything God creates is good therefore God cannot create evil. homosexuality is an evil thing. Homosexuality is a choice that is made by an individual. Noe they can either carry their cross or not. Even if a person is homosexual and does not have intercource i belive they are still out of communion with the church........... [/quote] Well then you disagree with the CCC and are you yourself in error. Edit: Copied verbatim from LetGoLetGod's earlier post Chastity and homosexuality 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved. 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. 2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. You should not pretend to know that which you cannot know. Having never been gay you don't know if it is a choice or it isn't. Not knowing God's plan you can't pretend to know what He would see fit to create and what he would not. Or do you think you know the inner workings of God's mind? Edited December 14, 2004 by spathariossa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofizzle Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 please give me the Cathechism reference so that I can look it up b/c i'm pretty sure that i have this one right......unless something just came out wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='Scofizzle' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:51 AM'] please give me the Cathechism reference so that I can look it up b/c i'm pretty sure that i have this one right......unless something just came out wrong... [/quote] Go to the first page. Let_Go_Let_God already posted it. And I edited the quotation into my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 Are you saying that chaste people with SSA are out of communion with the Church, Scofizzle, because that's what it sounds like you are saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 The Church does not teach anything on the origins of homosexual desire. Believe the gene theory, the germ theory, or the environment theory it is f no consequence. The Church does require homosexual ersons not to engage in homosexual acts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofizzle Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 in which instance was i in error? No, I do not know what God intends or the inner workings of God but i do know what the chruch teaches....I want to clarify that I did not say that homosexuals were evil but homosexuality is evil. homosexuals are to be treated like any of our other brothers and sisters in Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofizzle Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 (edited) [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:53 AM'] Are you saying that chaste people with SSA are out of communion with the Church, Scofizzle, because that's what it sounds like you are saying... [/quote] SSA? what is that..... oh same sex attraction........no thats not what i am trying to say.....I am not a very articulate person. I am trying to say that those with same sex attraction have a cross carry and we need to be there for them. Edited December 14, 2004 by Scofizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I do not believe that anyone can say if a person is born or chooses homosexual tendancies just that they "are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition." CCC 2358 God bless- LGLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 same-sex-attractions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofizzle Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 yah i figured that out like right after i posted.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='Scofizzle' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:55 AM'] in which instance was i in error? No, I do not know what God intends or the inner workings of God but i do know what the chruch teaches....I want to clarify that I did not say that homosexuals were evil but homosexuality is evil. homosexuals are to be treated like any of our other brothers and sisters in Christ. [/quote] You are in error because you said "Even if a person is homosexual and does not have intercource i belive they are still out of communion with the church........... " That's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote]People cannot and do not choose to be gay. The proof is what a nonsensical choice it is - if you could choose to exclusively prefer one sex or the other then why in the world would you choose the one that leads to being a pariah and the one that leads to persecution. It is ridiculous. Gay people can become celibate but it would take a verifiable miracle to make them straight.[/quote] That's great dude. So how do you explain my mother walking out on my family and her marriage of 20 years live in a gay relationship with the woman she cheated on my dad with just before she left? Look, I don't hate anybody and I don't resent anyone, but I will simply not let the "homosexuality is innate" myth go on any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scofizzle Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 ok yes then you are correct, I was incorrect....... They are not out of communion witht he church..... They have a heavy cross to carry.....thay are called to abstinence (sp?) just like the rest of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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