homeschoolmom Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 13 2004, 11:53 PM'] Well that doesn't change the command from Christ Himself. [/quote] I agree... -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I believe that there needs to be compassion yes, but when they (the members of the congrigation) are trying to change church belives [quote]CCC 2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.[/quote] that's when it is stepping over boundaries. We need to pray for a change that people realize that we need to have compassion, yet stand firm in what we believe as Catholics. God bless- LGLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DancesforLove Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Would you support an abortionist when they are fully aware of what they did and they came to church and said I want to be a priest? Why NO because it is a sin in the eyes of God and the church says its a sin. Gay people are not mentally ill they are not stupid they know EXACTLY what they are doing! They do not want to repent, show me a gay person that says I want to be straight and repents for being gay? you can't show me one because they don't want to repent! they don't view it as wrong. Do I view gay people as unnormal or less than me, not a chance! I have no problem with gay people. Do I think they should be teaching the gospel of the church, no why the same reason I don't want an abortionist teaching it. If they themselves can not decifer what is right and wrong how are they going to teach the Catholic youth what is right and wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I agree it is right to love those you cant stand. but see I do love them, as children of God's I do love them and feel sorry for them. Hate is far from me when it comes to them. However, I would be the first to get in front of a 'Sash' wearer if they come to my parish trying to recieve God. Read St Faustina's Diary. Jesus told her that it hurts Him so much when people recieve Him when they are in mortal sin. He wants us to Not do it. It [b]Hurts[/b] Him. If I know it hurts Him, you bet im going to stop those that I can from doing it. Through education for those that have no clue, to force for those that just dont care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 Well, there are many, many people with SSA and people coming out of the gay lifestyle who do repent and do want to change. But I think I understand your point, DFL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 (edited) [quote name='DancesforLove' date='Dec 13 2004, 11:55 PM'] Would you support an abortionist when they are fully aware of what they did and they came to church and said I want to be a priest? Why NO because it is a sin in the eyes of God and the church says its a sin. Gay people are not mentally ill they are not stupid they know EXACTLY what they are doing! They do not want to repent, show me a gay person that says I want to be straight and repents for being gay? you can't show me one because they don't want to repent! they don't view it as wrong. Do I view gay people as unnormal or less than me, not a chance! I have no problem with gay people. Do I think they should be teaching the gospel of the church, no why the same reason I don't want an abortionist teaching it. If they themselves can not decifer what is right and wrong how are they going to teach the Catholic youth what is right and wrong? [/quote] I told you I don't support them changing the Church teachings, but we should still have compassion and love for them even if they are wrong. You want me to show you Gay people who repent and wish to be straight? I can show you dozens. There are whole groups for this. The problem is that they can't be made straight - only celibate. And after intolerant behavior and a lack of compassion most turn away from the Church and feel justified in doing so. Nonetheless, my Orthodox priest always said to me "Well, Alina, it's like I always say. The gays aren't very gay. They just aren't happy people." This is very true. Most of the gay communities I've seen and been around are militant, hateful, and above all angry. This is because their behavior has distanced them from God. But by responding with anger, by responding with a lack of compassion, we too distance them from the Church and from God. As my mother always said, "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar." Edited December 14, 2004 by spathariossa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 However it seems that you are just talking about practicing homosexuals. Non practicing homosexuals should be applauded for living in God's plan of chasity and welcomed into the Church. God bless- LGLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='let_go_let_God' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:03 AM'] However it seems that you are just talking about practicing homosexuals. Non practicing homosexuals should be applauded for living in God's plan of chasity and welcomed into the Church. God bless- LGLG [/quote] Amen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='spathariossa' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:29 AM'] You know homosexuality was listed in the DSM-IV until 1973? I guess that would have made it the DSM-III back then not IV. For those of you that don't know, the DSM is the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual used for diagnosing mental illness. [/quote] from what my abnormal psych prof told me, that was changed by a slim vote of only 25% of the psychiatrists in the APA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spathariossa Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:07 AM'] from what my abnormal psych prof told me, that was changed by a slim vote of only 25% of the psychiatrists in the APA... [/quote] Yes. It was a political change. Really, homosexuality is a mental disorder I think in the sense that it is an abnormal sexuality and sexuality is centered in the brain. So it is a mental disorder. Now they're working on changing the DSM-IV so that Gender Identity disorder is removed as well. Gender Identity Disorder is when you're born one sex male or female but are the other sex mentally, or at least feel that you are. I pray that the liberals don't succeed in changing the diagnosis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 I need to say one thing though, please do not see me as playing the line. I believe that homosexuality when acted upon is wrong and in serious need of prayers. When not acted upon I believe that the people should not be afraid to speak up against those who do. All people should be loved and prayed for no matter what the condition. Please just don't see me as sitting on the fence. God bless- LGLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 This church isn't only in the wrong for encouraging gay relationships (which makes about as much sense as asking priests and religious sisters to live together with the expectation of celibacy). It's also got a few other problems: 1) They're breaking all sorts of liturgical norms: non-priest homilies are most obvious, the "resurrectrix" (Jesus rising from the Cross), and I'm willing to bet they're changing the words of the mass to suit their desires. 2) Move around the website and it's a bit difficult to find the Christian God anywhere. Try reading the section on [url="http://stjoan.com/esfr.htm"]Eco-spirituality (link)[/url]. Here's a bit of their "vision statement": [quote]"Eco-spirituality", which embraces earth-centered and creation-centered spirituality, fosters an awareness of how we are inseparably interconnected with all of creation. It calls us to be stewards of the earth and students of her rhythms and the mystery of her sacred landscape so that we act wisely and learn to live justly amongst its abundance and rich diversity. It challenges us to raise our awareness and change our behavior in all our relations with the earth, its creatures and each other.[/quote] I'll take Jesus-centered spirituality over creation-centered spirituality, thank you. As others have mentioned, the sad thing about all this is that these people see their disobedience as a badge of honor. I do hope that the Church--through the pope and the local bishops--continue to take active steps to rectify the situation. The perversion of the Catholic Faith that is occuring there is a source of scandal for Catholics across the country and around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 14, 2004 Author Share Posted December 14, 2004 [quote name='let_go_let_God' date='Dec 14 2004, 12:10 AM'] I need to say one thing though, please do not see me as playing the line. I believe that homosexuality when acted upon is wrong and in serious need of prayers. When not acted upon I believe that the people should not be afraid to speak up against those who do. All people should be loved and prayed for no matter what the condition. Please just don't see me as sitting on the fence. God bless- LGLG [/quote] I agree with you and I didn't think of you as sitting on the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
let_go_let_God Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Thanks HSM it's just when I get into discussions like this that's what people tell me and I present the same viewpoint as I am here. I just needed to hear that. :group: Thanks HSM God bless- LGLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 People choose to be gay. This thread has been brought up so many times. There are people on this board who have been there and back. People can be cured of their disordered desires. Again, people on this board can tell you about it. Compassion has to be used in dealing with anything or anybody, but in the case of defiance, like this, firm reprimand is long overdue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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